The Chuck Chicks Thread

so yeah...girl power...i'm not too good at being a girl. i wear whatever's on the floor. i do laundry when i absolutely have to. i don't use a lot of scenty gingko-beloba/jasmine/all-spice/moisturizing hydrating aloe vera hydroxy extracts shit on my body. i like football. i don't mind burping, farting, and i drink with the boys. makeup is a recent thing for me, and then, only if i feel like it.

i'm reading "geek love" right now. it definitely resonates with me very powerfully. basically it's about circus freaks and how they feel special for being abnormal. there's a subplot about a woman who deforms other women in danger of becoming prostitutes/exotic dancers/other objects of male fantasy and they go on to have incredible careers in very braniac things. that's kinda the role i select for myself. like, i may not be the most dewy shrinking violet you've ever met, but i'll kick your ass at Scrabble.

or maybe i'm just a poor excuse for a girl and that's how i justify my existence.

That's ok, insomnomaniac. I make a pretty poor excuse for a girl too.

Miffed.

why?

Umm. *scratches head* because he [i]isn't[/i] all that pathetic an excuse for a girl? Or something?

I have been ordered by mirkah to come post here, so hello! How's it going?

I had a major chick fun today. I got a massage and facial. I am smelling really damn good right now kind of like passionfruit mango sorbet. The clerk took advantage of my druggish relaxation and sold me a bunch of products that I don't need. Damn it.

Note to Insom: from way back when Knox was being an ass I did have your back for what its worth.

Whoops Succotash, didn't see your post. That wasn't an order btw, it was an enthusiastic request

No problem, I didn't take it as a real demand, I was just having fun with it.

I didn't have much chick fun today, although I did manage to finally find Fugitives and Refugees at the book store, as well as a Nicholson Baker book I'd been looking for, so today hasn't been a total loss.

You have frightened me off electrolysis forever. Sorry you had to go through that.

Who is Nicholson Baker?

Nicholson Baker is a writer my sister turned me onto a while back. I found The Mezzanine, which from what I gather is just the random thoughts of a man as he rides up an escalator going to work. From what I've seen so far, it's pretty funny, he really draws an insane amount of detail out of the littlest thing. I don't know though, once I read the book, I'll let you know what I think. Until then, you know as much about him as I do.

I'm getting my hair highlighted on Friday and my eyebrows done, before I go visit my Mom. Otherwise, Mom will have a bunch of "suggestions" about what to do with my hair. This way I can tell her I just had it done.

Hi Succotash, by the way

Hey Ruby, Remmington straightners are good too, don't condemn all of them to hell ya know... I should've just sent you mine- I don't straighten my hair anymore, just leave it so it goes into auburn ringlets...

I think I have used every hair straightening product in the whole of Boots stores. GUNK is by far the best, by the way.

you did have my back, mirk. thanks.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]so yeah...girl power...i'm not too good at being a girl. i wear whatever's on the floor. i do laundry when i absolutely have to. i don't use a lot of scenty gingko-beloba/jasmine/all-spice/moisturizing hydrating aloe vera hydroxy extracts shit on my body. i like football. i don't mind burping, farting, and i drink with the boys. makeup is a recent thing for me, and then, only if i feel like it.

i'm reading "geek love" right now. it definitely resonates with me very powerfully. basically it's about circus freaks and how they feel special for being abnormal. there's a subplot about a woman who deforms other women in danger of becoming prostitutes/exotic dancers/other objects of male fantasy and they go on to have incredible careers in very braniac things. that's kinda the role i select for myself. like, i may not be the most dewy shrinking violet you've ever met, but i'll kick your ass at Scrabble.

or maybe i'm just a poor excuse for a girl and that's how i justify my existence. [/B][/QUOTE]

Maybe it's just me, but a woman who farts and burps in front of me when it can be helped is just not my type. Then again, I also don't buy into the whole burping-farting "manly"-thing either, in other words I just think it's not only bad manners for either sex, but kind of loses its coolness after a while, and by coolness I mean that adolescent sensation of rebellion that comes from making obnoxious noises in an attempt to disgust others... I'm no hard guy. I'm not uptight, I just think smelling farts is the same as eating it, as shit particles fill the air and you are in fact "eating shit" everytime you enter a nasty smelling bathroom or breath in someone's obnoxious gas, and I don't know... if you're into eating shit than by all means... felch away. I'm just not into that sort of German-scheitzer deviance...

Also, I know better about women and know they aren't always clean as such, but you know what... a little denial goes a long way when dealing with bodily odors... OR you can do anything sexually if you know how to hold your breath. I like a strong smelling woman. I like a nice hardbody with some girly sweat. She doesn't need to be devoid of smell in order to stand her, in fact I think each woman has a distinct smell or essence in some regard, and like, smelling is just part of life. It's just I think if you can avoid smelling nasty, then why do it. If you gotta fart so bad you can't hold it, then go take a shit already and quit polluting my air...

Personally I think it's great that chicks want to be like guys and do "guy things", but I prefer a woman who does womanly things with guys. I mean if I want someone who's gonna hang out and drink beer and burp and fart then I'm not looking for a chick. Besides... everywhere you look today, supermodels and playmates and well... they all claim they are "just one of the guys" and they like to watch football and drink beer and I don't fucking believe them. Maybe they have a beer or two on occasion. Maybe they watch football because they are dating one of the players, but if they drunk beer and watched football all the time, they wouldn't be in Playboy or hot. Hell, I'm a guy and I don't drink beer all the time and watch football. If I did I would never get a hot chick, unless I was ultra-rich or had a penis over a foot in circumference... or basically had no standards... Point is, whatever...

"just one of the guys"

am i the only one who believes that watching football and drinking beer arent the only things that make you "one of the guys"?
if you wanna be one of the guys, i think a girl just hasta hang out with them, like she would her girlfriends. i.e. its not a chore to sit around and hang out with the guys, its somehting they actually dont mind doing. i met a girl like this just the other week, she was best friends with these 4 dudes i know and they hung out ona regular basis, and the fact that she could be layed back and talk about anything with the us guys, made her that much more attractive

Point is that Insom can be whatever kind of girl she wants to be. All women can. Its great finally being relaxed enough to be yourself and not care if that means you'll never bag a "Brock".

Some of us genuinly do like football, and playing it (actually I'm talking about soccer, but we call it football). It's not always about male eye candy. This isn't meant to be a rant at you for being 'sexist', Brock, but I just want to assure you that some of us girls can get passionate about baseball,basketball,football or whatever, and drink, just like guys-even if it is a minority of us.

Ps. I am not a dyke either, (contrary to my fellow hockey team's teasings now and then-for being goalkeeper.)

What you fail to realize is what these women are like, knox. A woman who chooses to solely hangout with guys is not only afraid of competition i.e. other women, but sooner or later will be fucking 1 if not all the guys. Aside from "friendship" as in hanging out with a girl from work at lunch or something or just people you go shopping with, I wa referring to a potential sex slave in this case. Not just some homely chick who hangs out with no sexual agenda or interest in men. Yeah, yeah... chicks can be cool. There's the popular misconception that somehow all of life's problems would be solved if chicks just "hung out" and were all laid back and stuff, and if you're a stoner 24-7 and have no life or job or whatever... and no money to go anywhere or incentive to ever leave the house, then cool... get a stoner chick and hang out and do nothing. I like pot too, but "hanging out" all the time is not a life... but rather the lack thereof...

Sometimes that's all I want from a woman... just to hang out and do nothing. Most of the time, that's not enough for me. I mean, I got plenty of guy friends to hang out with and do nothing... why do I need chick friends to hang out with and do nothing or worse... "guy things". Women and men have a purpose... both together and apart. All's I'm getting at is that sex is not friendship is not hanging out with the guys is not a life...

"somehting baout being passionate about sports and drinking" - i know that wasnt a direct quote but SnowWhite said somehtign about that

thing is everyone (all females that is) seems to be forgetting what its like to be highschoolers, some of the most dedicated partyers and drinkers ive seen are young girls. and they get fucking crazy too.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mirkah [/i]
[B]Point is that Insom can be whatever kind of girl she wants to be. All women can. Its great finally being relaxed enough to be yourself and not care if that means you'll never bag a "Brock". [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree. Insom or any woman should be themselves. I only used her quote to segue into some thoughts about chicks who want to be guys..

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SnowWhite [/i]
[B]Some of us genuinly do like football, and playing it (actually I'm talking about soccer, but we call it football). It's not always about male eye candy. This isn't meant to be a rant at you for being 'sexist', Brock, but I just want to assure you that some of us girls can get passionate about baseball,basketball,football or whatever, and drink, just like guys-even if it is a minority of us.

Ps. I am not a dyke either, (contrary to my fellow hockey team's teasings now and then-for being goalkeeper.) [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't think a woman who enjoys so-called 'manly' past times is a dyke. I know plenty of women who drink like fishes and get passionate about sports. I'm just saying that not every man wants a woman who acts like a man... as popular culture would have you believe...

Brock: this girl doesnt competitvley hang out, but shes good friends with the guys and they all just "chill". she has her girlfriends too, but she also has her guyfriends. i prersonally like a girl who can hang out (and when i say this, i dont mean literally just sitting doing nothing. just being together without bitching about PMS or soemthing, just hanging around whereever not worrrying about a schedule and doing fun stuff or anything as it ovvurs in your mind)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]"somehting baout being passionate about sports and drinking" - i know that wasnt a direct quote but SnowWhite said somehtign about that

thing is everyone (all females that is) seems to be forgetting what its like to be highschoolers, some of the most dedicated partyers and drinkers ive seen are young girls. and they get fucking crazy too. [/B][/QUOTE]

Not forgeting those types. Fact is, I don't want a woman dedicated to being a 'fucking crazy' drunken slut. Those women are best reserved for sport-fucking...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Brock Landers [/i]
[B]I'm just saying that not every man wants a woman who acts like a man... as popular culture would have you believe... [/B][/QUOTE]

very true, a girl who can be a girl around you, or act like a guy when with your friends and your just "hanging" is great. but a girl who acts like one of the guys 24/7, ehhh i dont htink i could handle that

this is the part where we all say 'Isn't it great we're all US, special, unique.'

'very true, a girl who can be a girl around you, or act like a guy when with your friends and your just "hanging" is great. but a girl who acts like one of the guys 24/7, ehhh i dont htink i could handle that'

I don't think anyone could hang out with THAT.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]Brock: this girl doesnt competitvley hang out, but shes good friends with the guys and they all just "chill". she has her girlfriends too, but she also has her guyfriends. i prersonally like a girl who can hang out (and when i say this, i dont mean literally just sitting doing nothing. just being together without bitching about PMS or soemthing, just hanging around whereever not worrrying about a schedule and doing fun stuff or anything as it ovvurs in your mind) [/B][/QUOTE]

You overgeneralize with all that PMS noise, knoxville, but otherwise you are describing what is called a 'friend'. In my case, when I want to do 'friend-stuff' I call up a guy friend and we do 'friend-stuff'. I do have female friends as well. These are what I refer to as women who I might sleep with if the opportunity was right. I also see women for 'non-friend-stuff'. These are women I want to sleep with right now. I'm not just referring to sex. I'm talking the difference between men and women. Chances are... think about it... any women friends you have... what if they approached you one day and grabbed your package and offered themselves to you to do with as you wish? That's what I mean, unless they are butt ugly or not cool, but if that's the case and they have no redeeming qualities, what are you hanging out with them for in the first place?

Oh my god. When Harry Met Sally overload.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SnowWhite [/i]
[B]Oh my god. When Harry Met Sally overload. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well we can't all be anti-fellatio and androgenous like Evan Dando...

haha. When Harry Met Sally is the bible to man to women relationships in my mind.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SnowWhite [/i]
[B]haha. When Harry Met Sally is the bible to man to women relationships in my mind. [/B][/QUOTE]

Never seen it...

If I had to pick one flick that pretty much sums up men and women and how to live, I'd say 'The Tao of Steve'... it's not perfect but has much wisdom to offer for the not-already informed...

[img]http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/43/33/60m.jpg[/img]

1 example:

Dex: Look at me. Look at me, okay? Technically, I shouldn't be getting laid, but I do. And do you know why, Dave? Because when I'm hanging out with a woman, that's all I'm doing is hanging out, talking, listening. I'm not sitting there thinking about how to get in bed with her. And this completely confuses them because they're saying "Wait a minute. I'm so much better looking than this guy. Isn't he attracted to me?" The basic principle: We pursue that which retreats from us.

Rick: It's from Heidegger.

Dex: And this takes us to the second rule of Being Steve: You have to do something excellent in her presence, thus demonstrating your sexual worthiness.

who stars in the movie?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SnowWhite [/i]
[B]who stars in the movie? [/B][/QUOTE]

Donal Logue... he's been in zillions of films...

[img]http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1031/wi20010127_DonalLogue_Vespa_140824.jpg[/img]

Here's a quick summary if interested that I found...

Men and women both want to have sex, but women want to have sex 15 minutes after us, so if you hold out for 20, she'll be chasing you for five.

This is the wisdom of Dex, the hero of "The Tao of Steve," who seems to get a lot of sex, considering he is a fat, 32-year-old grade-schoolteacher who shares the rent with three roommates, wears only a bathrobe whenever he possibly can, and has a dog that can intercept whipped cream sprayed directly from the can.

Dex (Donal Logue) lives in Santa Fe, N.M., where at his college reunion he makes love with an old girlfriend in the stacks of the library, then returns her glowing to her husband. Other old girlfriends gossip behind his back: "I can't believe how much weight he's gained." And they confront him about it. "You were Elvis!" one says accusingly. "Yeah," he says. "Well, now I'm fat Elvis."

But Dex has no trouble getting girls, and is happy to offer advice to his friends, in long talks spiked with references to Thomas Aquinas and Steve McQueen. He likes the name "Steve." To him, it represents all that is cool in life--the smooth, the lithe, the brave. He rattles off names: "Steve McQueen, Steve McGarrett, Steve Austin." (The least cool name, in case you were wondering, is Stu.) Playing pool and drinking beers, he explains his seductive techniques to guys who are thinner but hornier. There are three rules:

1. Eliminate your desire ("Women can smell an agenda").

2. Be excellent in their presence (even if it's only at throwing a Frisbee).

3. Withdraw (This is illustrated by the 20-minute strategy).

Like many Don Juans, including Don Juan himself, Dex spends more time talking about sex than experiencing it. Then he's blindsided by Syd (Greer Goodman), who is in town as a set designer for the Sante Fe Opera, and catches his eye and tugs at his heart. He likes her. He likes her so much he desires her, which is against the rules. He desires her so much he allows her to sense his desire, which leads to the shattering revelation that they have already had sex--years ago, in college--and she remembers it but he doesn't, which is not being cool like Steve.

"The Tao of Steve" is an easygoing but bright comedy that focuses on Logue's effortless charm (he won the best actor award at Sundance). It creates the feeling of settling in comfortably with old friends, and no wonder: Goodman is not only the co-star but co-writer of the screenplay with her sister Jenniphr Goodman, who is the director. It contains the insight, common to all stories about theories of love, that they never work out in practice, and eventually Dex is just as needy as some poor jerk who doesn't have the benefit of his deep wisdom.

One of the things I like about the movie is the wit of its dialogue, the way sentences and conversations coil with confidence up to a conclusion that is totally unexpected. It's the same sort of verbal humor I'm enjoying right now in the novel I'm reading, A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers. So much dialogue, in print and on the screen, is machined to serve the plot. You don't often get the impression the people are really talking. Logue and the other actors here have the kind of back and forth timing of friends who have been kidding around for a long time, who know one another's timing, who have created entertaining personas for themselves.

Of course all stories like this eventually come down to commitment, a word that strikes a chill into the heart of any man who lives in a bathrobe and feeds his dog out of the whipped cream can. Dex has his theories about it ("Don Giovanni slept with 1,000 women because he was afraid he wouldn't be loved by one"), but in practice, as Syd helps him to understand, you sooner or later have to make your choice, or you end up counting flowers on the wall.

Note: If there is one suspicion I have about the film, it's that Donal Logue is not as fat as the character he plays. At Sundance, he didn't exactly look underfed, but he didn't have that tire around his middle, and my best guess is, that's padding. That may help to explain why he refuses to take off his shirt in the movie. If it isn't, that may also explain it.

i.e
Sally: I thought you didn't believe men and women could be friends.

Harry: When did I say that?

Sally: On the ride to New York.

Harry: No, no, no, I never said that. ...Yes, that's right, they can't be friends. Unless both of them are involved with other people, then they can. ...This is an amendment to the earlier rule. If the two people are in relationships, the pressure of possible involvement is lifted. ...That doesn't work either, because what happens then is, the person you're involved with can't understand why you need to be friends with the person you're just friends with. Like it means something is missing from the relationship and why do you have to go outside to get it? And when you say "No, no, no it's not true, nothing is missing from the relationship," the person you're involved with then accuses you of being secretly attracted to the person you're just friends with, which you probably are. I mean, come on, who the hell are we kidding, let's face it. Which brings us back to the earlier rule before the amendment, which is men and women can't be friends.

I was looking for a picture to add and this came up...GAH! weird!

well, i was going to rebut to brock, but small_fire and mirk already did. it's good when ppl do your arguing for you.

the actor looks exactly like my 6th grade perverted science teacher. Film looks good though.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]well, i was going to rebut to brock, but small_fire and mirk already did. it's good when ppl do your arguing for you. [/B][/QUOTE]

Who's arguing, sweetheart? It's like a forum and stuff, ya know, like, difference of opinion is all, like, ya know, and really, like, yeah, it's like, max headroom and stuff, and totally like radical, ya know, and stuff? I just thought it was funny I hit who's online and you were in a topic with my name in the title... something like what happened to Brock?

stop that...
valley girlisms are totally uncool

(yes..i dotn practice what i preach...or so it seems)

Ha, I just read that thread too because [i]I[/i] hit who's online and a guest was reading it.

the tao of steve is great. everyone should watch it. actually, i take it back; someone will watch it and no doubt come back and say "man that movie sucked, it was so boring, blah blah blah" because shit's not exploding, or there's too much talking, or some other ridiculous criticism.

also, nicholson baker is most famous for penning "vox" which monica lewinsky read to pres. clinton in various telephone conversations, a la unorginal phone sex. and the book is about phone sex, so it's even more unoriginal.

I'm going to check it out.

movie recco please. i need a movie recco. thinking about renting orlando. help!

I feel like watching Amelie again. With a certain someone, actually.. Hmm..

thanks. didn't see that.

the hot model type you moaned about months ago, or someone different?

I was moaning about someone? Don't remember that...

She is absolutely gorgeous, though.

yup, that's her. and you were moaning.

Pfft. Well if that's the case, just for clarification, I haven't been hung up on her all the time.. Actually never really fell for her, never let myself. She's that girl that everyone you know wishes they could get with... So yeah, never let it happen. But now some stuff happened.. And I know it was probably meaningless, but oh well. I'm gonna have to see if she wants to hang out some day soon here, see what happens....

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Pfft. Well if that's the case, just for clarification, I haven't been hung up on her all the time.. Actually never really fell for her, never let myself. She's that girl that everyone you know wishes they could get with... So yeah, never let it happen. But now some stuff happened.. And I know it was probably meaningless, but oh well. I'm gonna have to see if she wants to hang out some day soon here, see what happens.... [/B][/QUOTE]

hmmm, todays avatar and title inspired by anything?