suicide

no, suicide is for pussies. i have gotten so low that i just wanted to get: machine guns and yes they're lots of fun and we got some bullets and we're mowing everybody down.

A little Nothingface never hurt anyone

no im not saying i would

when people tell me i wish that i would die i like to get in their face for as long as i can and annoy the shit out of them

I really hate people that just say they want to kill themselves but are merely using it as some attention getting scheme.

true

thats not always true, how can you sit there and try and assume what people are thinking then they tell people they wanna commit suicide? now thats bullshit

If I ever did get so low on myself, on life, on whatever, I would not want to kill myself. That's too easy.

Instead, i'll fuckin' breaking every law in the book. And instead of killing myself, I would want to go out with tons and tons of bullets being shot at me. Like GTA. Or Denzel in Training Day. That will be sweet.

That's kinda like suicide, right?

i have personally dealt with people that have actually attempted suicide and people that just say they want to die. believe me, you can tell the difference. now i understand that both types need help, but it annoys me that someone would be trying to exploit a person's natural reaction of pity in order to gain attention.

Example: My friend has an ex-girlfriend that is basically obsessed with him. Everytime he begins to ignore her or try to break it off for good she tells him that she is going to commit suicide. Now naturally, he doesn't want someone's suicide on his conscience, so he then forces himself to spend time with her and try to talk her out of it. He doesn't like her, but he is forced to stay in touch because of her manipulation. After some convincing from me, he called her bluff the next time she threatened suicide. Now he is in the clear and free from that manipulative bitch and has a free conscience by knowing that she didn't mean what she said.

My feeling on the issue: Be true to your word. Actions speak louder than words. If you are too proud and stuck-up to seek help, then kill yourself because you are just making yourself miserable anyway. No one wants to live a miserable life.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mario [/i]
[B]If I ever did get so low on myself, on life, on whatever, I would not want to kill myself. That's too easy.

Instead, i'll fuckin' breaking every law in the book. And instead of killing myself, I would want to go out with tons and tons of bullets being shot at me. Like GTA. Or Denzel in Training Day. That will be sweet.

That's kinda like suicide, right? [/B][/QUOTE]

suicide by cop

"The thought of suicide is powerful solace, by means of it one has gotten through many a bad night." -Nietzche

Yeah, I, like a lot of other people, have contemplated suicide. That's not the worst of my problems.

To me, anyone online saying "I'm going to kill myself" is saying "Hey, I want some goddamn attention". Not that that's a bad thing, I just wish people would be a little more up front about the whole thing.

Suicide, no pun intended, has been done to death. You had people in Greek drama that would fall on their own swords. It's not new, or creative, or anything like that.

Call me horrible for saying this, but if you're going to kill yourself, you should at least make it somewhat entertaining.

Ripper is a gangster.

Suicidal is a natural feeling. When your pain outweighs your capacity for coping with things, you get suicidal. And maybe you'd go out and do something stupid to get around killing yourself, but the fact remains that to have that kind of abandon and actually resigning to do things you normally wouldn't only means you didnt care if you lived or died anyway.
As for me, hell yeah I've wanted to cap myself.

i've been SICK enough to contemplate suicide...when you're helplessly psychotic you think a lot of funny things...

I've felt like killing myself, but never really said anything to anyone... When I was 12 I hated my school so much every morning I'd think about stepping in front of the bus. Lifes much much much better now though

I was suicidal in third grade, and contemplated the school-shooting concept way back in 1990, before it was popular. Since I got those ideas out of my system, I was free to do more productive things.

Ha ha! Looks like I win the Angst-Off.

I never thought suicide was for pussies (I hate that word, because it sounds weird when I say it), but a wrong choice. Like running away from home, it doesn't work 98% of the time, and it's only a way to get away momentarily. Once you get back you have even more problems. Suicide doesn't work 2% of the time, and if you survive you'll probebly be shunned by people, which creates more problems. And if you die, well, at least you can answer alot of the questions we've been asking. Too bad you can't tell us the asnwers. But, hey, one person is (most of the time) capaple of making their own choices and opinions, and can do what they want. Even if that is a wrong choice (e.g. shooting people with machine guns, commiting suidide). I "love" life, though I'm not afraid to die. And I'm only 13.
Say what you will, but be careful what you do.

Oh, and I know that I have LOTS to learn about life. I'm just a little ahead of the game than LOTS of other people.

Go XChuck Go!! Thats the most enlightened and intelligent thing I've heard for... ages sure... and from a 13 year old, congratulations.

And who heard the argument that the film Carrie inspired the school shootings? I think I came across it... I can't remember actually... tell me where I might of

I've definitely had the feeling of just wanting to die. It's like my head is imploding or something, It's hard to explain the feeling. The thing is, I tell myself all the time that I know I don't want to do it, so I doubt I'll ever go through with it.

I hate when people use it to get attention, but it's still not black and white. Sometimes when I feel that horrible, I'll tell Jeremy, and it's not that I'm making it up for attention...I guess it's just I want him to see how much I'm hurting because I need him so much right then. I guess the difference is that I'm not saying I'm going to do it...I'm just feeling it. It's like an uncontrollable feeling...like hunger or something. At least with me.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RuByLiCiouS [/i]
[B]please marry me.

[/B][/QUOTE]

sounds good to me. how about you pick a date

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XChuck [/i]
[B] And I'm only 13.
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XChuck, I've noticed that you like to point out your age alot. No offense, but no one cares. I could easily say I am 9 years old and be better than you because I am younger. I was just curious as to why you feel the need to constantly mention your age in every single post.

Ruby said basically exactly what I wanted to say. Even the 'everything happens for a reason' part, ha... That's pretty much a new motto for me. Whether it's religious or just science, it's all 'meant' to happen... *shrug*

Whatever happens, happens...

Er, minus the 'marry me' part. I don't want to marry you DoNotTrip. Sorry.

damn, i really am into polygamy

Sounds like a good idea, too, but I'm not into the whole gay thing. Of course, I'm assuming you're a guy.. And we all know what they say about assumption... Har.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RuByLiCiouS [/i]
[B] i totally know where you're coming from - people say something like this for attention or to look kool or whatever drive me nuts. suicide, to put it plainly, sucks. we've all been depressed enough to have considered, but we get over it. why? because you start to see things in perspective. there is always someone more worse of than you. [B]everything happens for a reason[/B] [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh, yes, me too. Ppl tell this kind of thing all the time. I totally agree with "there is always someone more worse off than you." THAT is my moto. That and from American History X, "Life's to short to be angry all the time." But I guess that one wouldn't matter to a suicidal, seing as how they want to make there life shorter.

I think suicide is just so selfish. I mean there are so many other ppl involved. Ppl that love this person. It's kind of like the suicidal person is just casting off there love as if it does not matter.

yes i am a guy, and i am not gay. But hey, i am open-minded

I've contemplated suicide, and about killing others. Mostly when I'm driving. It's amazing how quickly you can go back and forth between the two. Drive offensively.

I honestly think its quite different for every individual. I mean, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. you didn't ask to be born, it happened so whats wrong with taking your life into your own hands. Suicide is selfish. I dont think there is anything wrong with living for yourself. selfish in a way but in a good way. life is fleeting do what you want with it quickly because it will end before you know it. that is soley the reason why I wouldn't take my life. I feel like I want to relish in every precious moment of being a conscious human. I truly enjoy how obscure it is , but it will always now and then affect me in an adverse way. I have contemplated it deeply before and thought too how if I did, would go about it. I would want to change the way that people view death. people are often so disturbed by it. I would want it to provoke. I am a painter and thought how interesting it would be to make a work of art with your own death. the human being is a magnificent and captivating creature both live and dead, most don't ever realize that. there is beauty even in death....

First of all, DoNotTrip, you have said what I have been wanting to say for a long time. Thank you for that. XChuck, I'm sure you're a cool, smart kid, but age really doesn't, especially on the internet. I first read chuck when I was 11, and that doesn't make me write that in my every post. You might as well make "Hey I'm 13" your signature. No offense, though.

Second of all, the whole "suicide is selfish" thing, its not necessarily true. I mean, it's not selfish unless you're there to see their reaction. If you commit suicide it's not like you'll be there to see your loved ones reactions. And I think everyone contemplates suicide at one or more times in their lives. I know I sure have.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChiChi [/i]
[B]I think suicide is just so selfish. I mean there are so many other ppl involved. Ppl that love this person. It's kind of like the suicidal person is just casting off there love as if it does not matter. [/B][/QUOTE]

For the most part, I share this point of view, but since I talked a razor blade out of a friend's hand, I've taken a little more sympathetic view. I mean, if someone is contemplating suicide and letting another know about it, even as a means of getting attention, they're basically asking for help. If they weren't, why would they make themselves known? Their job would be so much easier without somebody trying to stop them and fuck it up. I personally have never felt so low as to contemplate suicide, but "thanks" to my friend, I've taken a brief glimpse, which is enough for me.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by [the_killing_jar] [/i]
[B]I am a painter and thought how interesting it would be to make a work of art with your own death. the human being is a magnificent and captivating creature both live and dead, most don't ever realize that. there is beauty even in death.... [/B][/QUOTE]

You're putting my thoughts into words. The human body is amazingly beautiful, whether in life or death. And what medium out there is more powerful than a body? Nothing that I can think of. It was always my favorite part in Silence of the Lambs, towards the end, when they found that guard Hannibal had gnawed on, hung up and stretched out like an angel. Gives me goosebumps everytime, not because its creepy, but because it's incredibly beautiful. Well, it's creepy too, but the goosebumps are because it's such an uncommon form of art. If you ever decide to open a gallery with dead bodies as your medium, invite me to see it before you're arrested.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Joe the Coat [/i]
[B]I've felt like killing myself, but never really said anything to anyone... When I was 12 I hated my school so much every morning I'd think about stepping in front of the bus. Lifes much much much better now though [/B][/QUOTE]

Same way with me. I never said "I want to kill myself" to anyone but back when I was around 13 I wanted to kill myself so badly because of school (I hated everything about it, especially the people). I probably didn't say "I want to kill myself" because I had no one to talk to, but that's also the reason why I wanted to kill myself (among other things). Nothing has really changed except my new optimistic perspective on life.

EDIT: I'm 17. BINGO!

[QUOTE]I really hate people that just say they want to kill themselves but are merely using it as some attention getting scheme. [/QUOTE]

just the same, using offing yourself is a means of getting attention is fucked up to warrant intervention of some sort.

[QUOTE]I think suicide is just so selfish. I mean there are so many other ppl involved. Ppl that love this person. It's kind of like the suicidal person is just casting off there love as if it does not matter. [/QUOTE]

have you ever been suicidal yourself? i ask this b/c i have. this is prob. the most unfair, unrealistic assumption ppl whose minds are functioning properly make about a suicide or suicidal person.

it's unfair because this judgement is made with a sound mind, whereas suicidal ppl by definition are deranged. it's unrealistic, because suicide is rarely ever simply a gesture of spite--to me it is death due to mental illness. terminal mental illness, if you will. i can see how someone grieving over the loss of someone they loved to suicide would have this reaction, but as a generalization it's not right.

Yeah, the last time I was seriously suicidal was because I felt that my family would be better off without me. I don't work, so I'm just a leech, and my little brother can't afford a car. So if I were dead, he'd get my car and the few thousand bucks I have saved for a real college (I'm in Community college now)... So his life would be better without me... Kind of a depressing thought, heh. But at the same time, I know it would devestate my family if I offed myself, and that's about the only thing that has kept me from going through with it. That is, until recently, now I'm pretty happy. Heh..

If we owned a gun, I'd soooo be dead right now, lol. Yay for not owning a gun.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by [the_killing_jar] [/i]
[B] I am a painter and thought how interesting it would be to make a work of art with your own death. the human being is a magnificent and captivating creature both live and dead, most don't ever realize that. there is beauty even in death.... [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, the human body is amazing. I have attended a whole bunch of autopsies and will be working at the county Medical Examiner's office this summer and I am always amazed by the human body. God or evolution knew what they were doing when they put it together.

Back to suicide: Suicide (like war) should only be used as a last resort. There is always a better way to solve a problem. If you are suicidal it is important to realize that more people are willing to listen and help than you may realize.

I think someone quoted me when I said that I hate people who use suicide as an attention getting scheme. Well, I still do, but I did also say that both suicidal people and cry-babies need help. However, the help they both need is different.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DoNotTrip [/i]
[B]sounds good to me. how about you pick a date [/B][/QUOTE]

*blushes*

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Ruby said basically exactly what I wanted to say. Even the 'everything happens for a reason' part, ha... That's pretty much a new motto for me. Whether it's religious or just science, it's all 'meant' to happen... *shrug*

Whatever happens, happens... [/B][/QUOTE]

yeh i picked this up from a time when i was really pissed off (a total teenage hormones flying and everything) with just life in general and nothing was going my way; one of my relatives passed away, i was pretty much failing all my subjects, and there was some shit going on with my friends. this moto "eveything happens for a reason" just helps me to deal with everything, nothing bothers overtly anymore (bit like insommnia; nothing can touch you haha im sucha quoting geek), because i believe that some good will come out of it (i'm not religious, so i spose this is my version of "God is testing me"). rargh.

the whole slefish thing *bites lip*. hmmm. i have been down the conteplating suicide route bla bla, and i know a load of people that have yada yada, and it's not something people do, or consider doing, out of selfishness. yeh it does look selfish to everyone on the outside, but the person doing it doesnt think it is because they don't think anyone would care if they died anyway.

rargh i hope y'all understand that

and yeh im 15: let's have a wank about it

(ps 4 mentions in one topic wooyay me:D)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]have you ever been suicidal yourself?[/B][/QUOTE]

Ya, a while ago.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]i ask this b/c i have. this is prob. the most unfair, unrealistic assumption ppl whose minds are functioning properly make about a suicide or suicidal person.

it's unfair because this judgement is made with a sound mind, whereas suicidal ppl by definition are deranged. it's unrealistic, because suicide is rarely ever simply a gesture of spite--to me it is death due to mental illness. terminal mental illness, if you will. i can see how someone grieving over the loss of someone they loved to suicide would have this reaction, but as a generalization it's not right. [/B][/QUOTE]

Your right it is "rarely ever simply a gesture of spite." My point is that with most ppl the thought that ppl love them does not even cross their mind.

But yes, I guess you are right- to be suicidal is to be mentally ill. So guess we really can't talk about it as an act but as a disease (non-contagious of course).

P.S. What should I do when my friends tell me they are going to kill themselves or cut themselves. They already go to phycolgists and such. But I never know what to say or do. One of them told me just to hug her, but I don't think it really helped much.

To XChuck:
I was wondering... where did you take all these statistics from?? I really don't think there's been an extensive research about how many suicidal people 'succeed' and how many don't. Sounds kinda absurd.

To all:
Camus has said that the only truly philosophical question in life is suicide. I can't agree that suicidal people are weak. It requires a huge mental step to take leave of your own life deliberately. Weak people are the ones that keep babbling about it, the ones who mean it do it for real.

It seems to me that people outside of the suicidal state of mind don't really understand what goes on in the suicidal person's head. And, then again, suicidal people can't look on their situation through the eyes of a fighter/optimist (whatever you want to call it). It's very hard to understand.

It's complicated. And it's grim. And it's lonely at the bottom.

[QUOTE]Camus has said that the only truly philosophical question in life is suicide. I can't agree that suicidal people are weak. It requires a huge mental step to take leave of your own life deliberately. Weak people are the ones that keep babbling about it, the ones who mean it do it for real.[/QUOTE]

so suicide is admirable, then? i think it sucks when ppl want to philosophize and intellectualize about something as horrible as suicide. if you died of kidney failure, no one would try and say you'd made some philosophical statement by doing so. but you die of a chemical imbalance in the brain and of course that's been done on purpose.

the thing i object to is the view ppl have that suicide is done on purpose, no matter whether they see it as positive or negative. that it's a philosophical statement. that it's a gesture of spite. that it's meant to be an honest or accurate assessment of how their lives are going (hence you ahve ppl who say, "i don't understand, he/she had everything going for him/her," or, on the flip side, "no wonder he/she killed him/herself...his/her life was miserable").

Rents is right when he says that suicide essentially rejects all the positives someone has going for them in their life, including the love of others. How much more evidence that it is a wholly irrational act do you need?

[QUOTE]P.S. What should I do when my friends tell me they are going to kill themselves or cut themselves. They already go to phycolgists and such. But I never know what to say or do. One of them told me just to hug her, but I don't think it really helped much.[/QUOTE]

you may think it didn't, but it probably did in some way, even if she can't show it right now.

the worst thing you can do for that person, though, is to think that you can personally help them. if they were bleeding to death you'd call an ambulance. so in this case, hug her, yes, but tell her to tell her psychologist that she's thinking of harming herself. this is grounds for hospitalization in every one of the 50 states, and that's really what she needs. tell her that if she doesn't come clean with her psychologist about it--and she MUST, because he/she is the one with the resources and training to handle suicidal behavior--and that if she doesn't, you will yourself. This may seem like a betrayal of trust, but it's better to save her life. If she HAS told the psychologist, and the psychologist has done nothing about it, tell her to find a new psychologist, or help her to find one if she is too depressed to do it on her own. It is a mental health professional's duty to aid every patient that expresses suicidal ideation as if it were an emergency, even in cases where it might not be.

The worst part about it for you is that you ultimately can't control what she does, and it's ultimately up to her to help herself. But you can take a lot of steps to help her get the help she needs.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChiChi [/i]
[B]I think suicide is just so selfish. I mean there are so many other ppl involved. Ppl that love this person. It's kind of like the suicidal person is just casting off there love as if it does not matter. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think they're just not thinking about it, or they don't realize it. Mostly, their thinking isn't very rational, at least for the people who do it out of depression-like feelings.

Not that losing a child when you have more than one is any "better," but I'm an only child, and the thought of my mom and dad and Jeremy going through this is what always brings me out of it.

this is what i feared...
insomnomaniac, you misunderstood me a little bit. you assume that i think suicide is admirable. it isn't. what i wanted to say is that suicide is a complicated and really fucked up thing.

i agree with you and PsychoKeety and ChiChi - it is the most hurtful and tragic thing one could do to one's loved ones ( friends, family ). therefore it can be considered as a very selfish and cruel act. that's exactly what's been helping me come to terms with myself.

by no means did i intend to suggest that suicide is something 'ooh so kewl and deep'.

to my mind it's one of the most complex 'topics' ( if you will ) one could process in one's head. and that's why writers ( e.g. Camus, Hermann Hesse ) have spent lots of time, paper and ink on the analysis of suicide. it's about defying existence. works of existentialism are all about being alone in the world and whether it's justified to live or deliberately die.
it is possible to see suicide as a philosophical question. although it is also a form of mental illness. and i don't think that Albert Camus was an idiot to have analyzed it as a philosophical question.

nothing is one-sided. that's my point.

Be a Dionysian! The saddest and most terrifying moments of your life are as important and ecstatic as the happy and joyous moments. You must cherish everything. Your gonna die some day anyway, you might as well wait it out. Be the tough guy who can stand life and overcomes it. But I'll shut up because no one can say it better than Nietzche, so I'll leave it to him.

Saying yes to life even in its strangest and hardest problems; the will to life rejoicing over its own inexhaustibility even in the very sacrifice of its highest types - this is what I call Dionysian, that is what I understood as the bridge to the psychology of the tragic poet. Not in order to get rid of terror and pity, not in order to purge oneself of a dangerous effect by its vehement discharge, but in order to be oneself the eternal joy of becoming, beyond all terror and pity. - Friedrich Nietzsche

no harm done, ampler.

Hawc2...that's insane...but in a good way.