Out of Our Comfort Zones

Does using drugs really count? The reason I never take drugs is because what I've always hated the idea of is using them as a way of "getting over" my insecurities without actually getting over them.

I wonder how many people actually lost their virginity stone-cold-sober?

so- does that mean you got loaded on the weekend past?

or is a point for further discussion?

Me? No, I was working this weekend, as per usual

My 5-day weekend is just starting, dude

Nothing out of the ordinary, as I'm usually doing crazy shit. But the other day my friends and I decided to settle down a bit and got completely stoned and went rock and roll bowling. For those of you that don't know, rock and roll bowling is where you bowl with the lights turned down, with music playing and disco lights flashing. I don't even know how I managed to chuck the ball down the lane, but somehow I managed. Anyway, turned out to be fun as hell as I'm sure we made asses of ourselves to everyone else that was there.

Wesley, I guess I'll be seeing you in hell my friend. Maybe we can partake in some drug induced good times down there.

Rohan, to answer your question, no you don't really need drugs to get over your "insecurities" as you put it, or even to enjoy any given situation for that matter. But, it is a whole lot funner when you do take them. And yes I did lose my virginity "stone-cold sober", it was quite fun.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fucko [/i]
[B]But, it is a whole lot funner when you do take them. [/B][/QUOTE]

Is this what happens when you use a lot of drugs? Your grammar begins to deteriorate? Good thing I steer away from them then.

Pfft.

I was once of the group of people that looked down on those who did lots of drugs/alcohol and such... Like being straight edge made be better or something, haha. Fucking stupid, I tell you. I don't know, morals are gay. Well, morals concerning, drugs, sex & alcohol are gay. Honesty and such is nice, though. Anyhow... Yeah, my friends and I always thought those people just did it cos they couldn't have fun without it. And we're like "man, we can have tons of fun without it." Then I realized, it's not about not being able to have fun without it, it just fucking enhances any situation, so why the hell not? Blah. Some of my friends are still stuck in the non-participatory group, though.. fuckers. And they're giving me and the ones who have gone away from that some shit over it, too. Blah, boring fucking people, I tell you. Boring fucking people.

It really is sad. I could have had soooooooooooooooo much fun in high school. Lord, all the opportunities I passed up in the drugs/alcohol/sex categories, haha. Fuck, now I'm not around that stuff anymore, so I'm bored out of my mind. Figures. When I'm against it, it's everywhere, now that I'm all for it, it's fecking gone.

Deteriorating grammer? Hmmm, I don't see it, oh well. And I'm not on drugs at the moment, wow.

Disx, my point exactly! I'm in the same boat man.

went to a rave in philly. my god, did i stand out in my boat shoes and blazer!

LOL!!!

Yeah, not really into the whole rave scene. I've been to a few thought, they were okay, guess you just have to be in the mood for it.

still, i had a good time. not my cup of tea, exactly right, but good people over all. that's what really counts, you know. although i probably ought to have worn my leathers . . .

in march, i took an eight hour drive to florida to see someone that i met online... the idea was to see how we'd click and to see if i was "into" her. the whole thing was a bad idea. we had talked on the phone alot for two years, but when we met in person it was fucking weird for me... bad idea going to meet the girl... but the eight hour drive i have never done by myself... that part kicked ass. i took pictures and sang along with weezer to keep myself up... oh yeah, the visit was suposed to be me staying for maybe four days, but i slept on the floor the first night and woke up and told her i had to go. i told her i felt fucking weird and split.. drove eight hours after only sleeping for maybe three. hahahaha it was insane.. if anybody wants to see them, i have some pics of the road trip.
what a good idea for a discussion wes! i'll dig up another demon before too long

yesss yess dig damn you!

*shrug* You guys can keep your drugs

Drugs facilitate further understanding.

edit: Drugs facilitate CAN further understanding

sadly, its not definitive.
anyway, this thread could turn into a challenge thread.
a little, coming out of our shells experiment.

eg, Rohan- i would like to see you
come and boogie, breakdance, chase women, get totally loaded- and completely lose it one nite- out on the town, with I- and a few other respected teamsters. what do you say?

* sound of crickets *

ok- so that may be a bit bold.
but dont totally trash it.

wes, that's an excellent idea. not trying to say anything negative about rohan, but i think he could use a visceral experience. c'mon rohan, get DIRRRRTY like christina

drugs facilitate nothing but admission to juvenile detention halls and prisons throughout the country; erode and weaken your opportunites to enjoy a healthy life; and they also encourage and foster the disintegration of the family and other close relationships. in short, drugs are whack.

end of public service announcement from an outraged brother of a recovering drug addict . . .

Aren't generalisations fun?

you forgot the part where drugs help terrorists fly planes through the twin towers...

does everyone alwasy belittle someone for understanding what adverse side-effects drugs can have on a person?
they're not all peachy ya' know. if you want to destroy your body, go for it, but don't try to belittle someone for not agreeing with you.

I don't -need- to take drugs to have fun, though And, in a very nerdy fashion, I'm going to have to agree with framstedt here - I've seen three friends of mine go from being (albeit a bit violent) progressive, forward thinking and talented people into degenerate, slow-talking un-coordinated dropkicks courtesy of Marijuana. I've known a few people do very stupid things as a result of Alcohol (including one who died) and then there's the people on so much Speed they're rakes who never eat or sleep... the person with flashbacks from his single (!) LSD 'experiment' a few years ago, and not to mention the ex-heroin addict who still suffers weird side-effects.

However, on the other side there's the majority of my friends, who drink responsibly (or not) but still manage to be fine.

I don't see drugs as evil, but I see them as a risk I don't require in order to have a goo -

Ummm. Ok, I'll stop bullshitting now. Wanna know my -real- reason?

I'm a fucking control freak, and being sober when others are on stuff just gives you SO much power *evil maniacal laugh*

does everyone have to jump on their soap box and preach about belittlement when someone is just trying to add to the conversation?

I didn't

Well, if I did, it wasn't intentional.

I don't own a soap-box, anyway. I have a high horse.

Yeah, abusing wasted people is always a larf.

I was in the situation the other day where my father, who's never taken alcohol in his life, was telling me what it's like being drunk. He didn't seem to notice the general stupidity he was exhibiting no matter how many times I ponted it out. But of course, [i]it's been proven[/i] how alcohol and other drugs instantly transform you into an inhuman monster. This was what he kept hiding behind. Studies and horror stories. Yes, there are stupid people who can't handle drugs. There are also stupid people who can't handle cars, money, authority, criticism, whatever. I'm aware that I'm ranting at people who'll probably never come near this forum, but that's just how it goes sometimes.

you weren't adding to the conversaion. you were basically only attempting to riducule framstedt for saying that drugs aren't always wonderful things.

No...what he said was drugs are [i]never[/i] wonderful things.

trypdwyer, actually, what i was doing was adding to his "public service announcement" the newest spin from the just-say-no people that tries to incite fear into the impressionable youth who may or may not be considering buying drugs for the first time. it's a faulty arguement, just like "drugs are good/bad for me, so they are for you, too"

but dude, why the fuck am i arguing with you about this? oh yeah, because you're trying to tell me what i mean by the things i type into this box. just because YOU don't get it, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

Is it just me, or is it getting warm in here?

there are reasons why certan illicit drugs are in fact illicit. hey, i'm not saying i've never done any, i'm saying that when a guy admits that his brother is recovering from said activities, you don't fuckin' act like everything he said was a joke. shit, if i said my grandmother was recovering from a stroke, would you make a quip about how wonderful euthenasia is? be intelligent, not dense.

[QUOTE]drugs facilitate nothing but admission to juvenile detention halls and prisons throughout the country; erode and weaken your opportunites to enjoy a healthy life; and they also encourage and foster the disintegration of the family and other close relationships.[/QUOTE]

or, admission to juvenile detention halls and prisons throughout the country, weakened opportunities to enjoy a healthy life and already disintegrated family and other close relationships facilitate drug use.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trypdwyre [/i]
[B] be intelligent, not dense. [/B][/QUOTE]

excellent response. did you even read what i wrote?

Wow. Cynical. I love it

Trypdwyre, expecting everyone on this message board to be warm, wholesome, human creatures who pat you on the back for your bad experiences isn't a good idea. You'll only be disappointed when three quarters of us turn out to be sociopaths.

yes, as a matter of fact i did indeed read what you wrote. i understand that maybe you didn't mean for it to come out sounding that way, but hell, it did sound that way.

rohan, that was sigworthy.

I turn my back and people start getting all deep. Curses.

well don't worry, i'm going home, i'm going to spend time with my wife and child, and i'm going to relax. enjoy one and all.

ok. i had a feeling this topic was going to get warm, but i have very solid foundations for being against drugs. my brother is indeed a recovering drug addict. whatever reasons he had for choosing to use drugs don't matter to me in the least. if he were able to use these drugs on occasion, from time to time, or as I have a drink or two, without becoming addicted i don't think i would feel so strongly against drugs. simply put, his drug use led to addiction and this addiction has utterly ruined our relationship, has cost him a college education and, sadly, nearly cost him his life (he tried to kill himself). how can anyone support that!?!

so, i'll go out on a limb, take a polemic stance and say fuck drugs. you want to use them, fine, ok. i know the value of experiementation. i'm no hyporcrite. still, think about the choice you make to use drugs. it's a crying shame, is all.

rohan, you make a lot of sense. it's awful when people throw their lives away for drugs, drink, etc. if you can handle your "addcition" responsibly, more power to you. perhaps, you're just a better, more enlightened person than i am.

lastly, if you've been reading my posts fully, i would hope you get the sense that i'm playing the part of agent provacatuer, but i still have well-founded, decidedly firm opinions on any and all things.

end of public service announcement 2 from an outraged citizen against institutionalized drug use

That I can relate to. PSA 1 was a wee bit general for my liking

I'm very flattered, insomnomaniac

And while it may be awful when people throw away their lives because of drugs, they sure make for commercially succesful movies!

[QUOTE]if he were able to use these drugs on occasion, from time to time, or as I have a drink or two, without becoming addicted i don't think i would feel so strongly against drugs. simply put, his drug use led to addiction and this addiction has utterly ruined our relationship, has cost him a college education and, sadly, nearly cost him his life (he tried to kill himself). how can anyone support that!?![/QUOTE]

i don't support that. as a matter of fact, what i believe moe.ron was reacting to in the first place is the implication from yourself and other sources that if we don't support making any and all mind-altering substances taht the majority of people can use responsibly illegal and punishable by stiff jail sentences and fines, that we do.

Drugs are good, drugs are bad, drugs drugs DRUGS!!!

Yeah, they're definatley not for everyone. It's understandable that some of you get really defensive and preachy about it. Some of you have been addicted to them or know someone close to you that has been addicted to drugs and it has ruined their lives, etc... etc...amen.

Just a quick thought, if some of you took the time to learn more about drugs, then maybe you'd see that they're not this EVIL substance that has been banned because the members of our government have mandates from God and have recognized this terrible plague for which is deteriorating life in America, and for the most part, causing a heated debate in this forum.

Cocaine, for instance, was officially banned in 1914. Yeah thats right, 1914! It used to be in cough syrups for christ sake, people took them for the common headache, and it used to be in this little drink called COCA-COLA, which was pretty much the Red Bull or whatever other high energy drink you can think of of its day.

It became officially banned because of, thats it, you guessed it, the root of all our problems in America: RACISM. Thats right, beleive me when I say this again: RACISM! Basically, Southerners were feeding African-Americans coke so that they could work harder and longer at their labor intensive jobs. Yup, African-Americans were free, but they still had to do the shit jobs. These African-Americans would work 12-14 hour days, and living below the poverty line, they needed some crazy ass energy to be able to work.

So what started happening in the South around the early 1900's (get our your history book folks), African-American unrest became increasingly bothersome to the Southern White folk. Why were the African-Americans so pissed off, cause they couldn't vote, they were treated as second class citizens, some of them were even being lynched by this one group called the KKK.

So what did the newspapers print about this increase in African-American violence? I shit you not, this is an actual headline: "Cocaine Crazed Negro Turns Violent". The Southern Lobyists pushed for a ban on the drug and low and behold, criminals and government officials alike now make billions on the importation of the drug and the exploitation of its own citizens.

As far as addiction goes, well, some people are weaker than others. Not to be a dick, but its true. My grandpa was addicted to extra-marital affairs, true story. He loved the excitement of getting away with fucking other women. Well, that ruined his mariage and his relationship with his kids. The guy never did drugs in his life. To this day the man cannot hold a girlfriend, the reason, he's always caught cheating. Hahaha, my grandpa the pimp, I hope it runs in the family!

Basically, what I'm trying to say here is that drugs aren't banned because they're an uneccesary evil and yes they can be addicting and may even ruin your life if you let them, but a ton of other shit is just as addicting to some people and can also ruin their lives.

Sorry if I sound like an asshole to some of you, but those are not only my thoughts, but some cold hard facts. Seriously, if you don't ever want to try them, then don't, cause there is a reason for your unwillingness and if you were to try them, maybe it would hit you different and you'd probably freak out or something. If you do, be sure that you know exactly what you're getting into. Ask me anything, good and bad, about most drugs and I'll be able to give you a solid answer.

Anyway, hope I made some sense to some of you. If not, just ignore me. I'm just a druggie.

ive always wanted to get into drugs myself, just basically weed and shrooms. but never have had the guts, im scared that i'll get stuck in that "high" state forever or i'll fuck myself up or soemthing

you won't. lol. especially w/ weed. right now at least in my area it's so dried up you'd be lucky to get much of a high off it at all.

The two stoners I still know keep whining about the whole area here being 'dry', too.

I LIVE IN CANADA THOUGH!!! where B.C. weed rains supreme, lucky fo me i gots me a cousin in B.C.

insom - could you translate that. i'm not following you at all. don't mean to sound dense, but the threadof your remark is lost on me.

i think it's time to do the brain cell dance. All who can participate, raise your hand.

Nice post Fucko.

And to whoever it was saying some intelligent people they knew were now retards thx to pot, well, as the saying goes... Ignorance is bliss.