Obama FTW
dude, los angeles voted yes. i'm really surprised. santa barbara, which is a lot more conservative voted no.
They won because of their stupid fucking last minute ad campaign.
DID YOU KNOW....If prop 8 fails, they will teach your CHILDREN about HOMMASEKSHUL MARRIAGE?! IN SCHOOL?!??!!!
Fucking douches.
children should learn about homosexual marriage in the streets like I did!
In Arkansas, residents approved a measure aimed at preventing gay couples from adopting children. The measure, Proposed Initiative Act 1, goes further than just barring same-sex couples from adopting; it bars any individual cohabiting outside of a valid marriage from adopting or providing foster care to minors.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Vote2008/Story?id=6184848&page=2
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hey. i will cut you, bitch!
seriously, though, something to not be proud of. i voted against preventing that aim. fucking ballot was written by confucius, i swear to god that shit was written to trick the shit outta ya.
and if you ever get the chance, you should search and read the way the lottery amendment was written. after reading it three times, i was still absolutely confounded by the scroll.
odd. this southern state contains this first city to integrate public schools. not one of the northern states expressing morale with words about what's right and what's fair. no, a southern state fought to make it happen. fifty years and sometimes a great change ripples time, i would like to think this city has had quite a bit of influence in helping to shape the election of these united states during this 2008 election year. especially with some of the most old-way thinking inhibiting many of the people here. but there are so many good and fine people here, so many strong ones.
sorry about the tangent, love
-kabol
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I am pretty excited that Prop 8 passed.
I am pretty disappointed that anybody could get excited about prop 8.
Why?
symbolic-wise it's fantastic, future of the world lies in mixing the races, no more old white men in power, no more money whoring pay-offs, no more dinosaurs, and for gods fuck the guy is easy on the eyes and doesn't talk like a cartoon.
my uncle was a war pilot, he knew john mccain and he's voted republican all his life, but he told me mccain is no longer the man he knew, he voted for oboma, and he lives in fla. i like whats happening, and maybe we can get out of that creepy war, its like the country can shower off the vile stench we've been marinating in and start over.
oh also the two props we voted on were passed, medical marijuana, and stem cell research are a go in mich.
I'm overall excited that this country was able to vote for a person of color and that after 8 years of disaster, I finally have hope that some things might change for the better. It pisses me off that this country is ready for a man of color to be president, but not a woman. Barack identifies as an African American as do most people, yet he is half white and was raised "white" by his mother and grandparents. So, this country and the majority of the world still thinks if you have a drop of black blood in you, that makes you black. That's not very progressive to me.
I think this country just isn't ready for a woman and that's disheartening.
whats prop eight?
also, good for michigan. those are both worthwhile and should be implemented nationwide.
Prop 8 amends our state constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. With our huge budge shortfalls and disastrous policies, and rampant crime, it's SOOOOOOOOOO important to tell people they can't get married.
My vote just negated my mother's vote on this. She was freaked that it could be taught in schools to the children
Sorry, mom, but you have no kids in school so just butt the fuck out. I drove my parents to the poll and my dad demanded I pull over and let him out when he found out I voted for a black man. I didn't pull over, I told him to go negate my vote and then we could all go get free ice cream..
I think this country just isn't ready for a woman and that's disheartening.
meerk. i dont know. it's not so much that this country isnt ready for a female president. hillary was a strong candidate. i think that our connection with a lot of the world withstands much though. afghanistan iraq iran, and we have a female leading our country and there could be all out, at-all-cost war during that presidential elect speech.
maybe my logic is flawed on this line of thought and i'm not considering something simple here, but it is something that occurred to me while reading your post.
-kabol
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I am kind of disappointed with all the gay marriage bans passing, and that fucked up initiative in Arkansas, but in the end these religious zealots are fighting a losing battle...it may take 10, 20, maybe 40 years, but eventually all these bigoted policies will whither away, as will most of the bigots who support them...
50 years ago, this same mentality had everyone screaming that miscegenation would destroy the moral fabric of the country, and now we have a president who is a product of it...that's fucking poetic!
I don't think the United States is unwilling to elect a woman for the office of the presidency. I just don't think the right one has come along yet. I would've voted for Hilary over Obama in the primary if she hadn't taken such a hawkish stance on the "war on terror".
Oliver Stone's "W" clearly gave Obama the victory. j/k, but you knew that, I'd hope.
For those of you who care about the environment, here's something of interest,
http://nrdc.org/legislation/beinecke_postelection2008_letter.asp
50 years ago, this same mentality had everyone screaming that miscegenation would destroy the moral fabric of the country, and now we have a president who is a product of it...that's fucking poetic!
How would all that fall legally if, like, you and I got married?
Not a proposal, just curious. I'm guessing that it would count as gay marriage?
what about just living together for seven years ?
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too hillbilly-ish.
Sorry Nate, we can't get married 
The laws of this world just can't accept our love!!
But for real, no, we can't get married, I have a penis...
Actually, a few years ago a transwoman here tried to get a marriage license and they found her out and she got arrested for fraud or some shit, I don't know...
But as far as I know I can still marry a woman...
I imagine it's only a matter of time until they stop letting us do that too 
what about if she had the Big Operation already and was sans peen?
Yikes, getting arrested for love! Hopefully all she got was like a ticket or something. I can't imagine going to jail because you lied about having a hanglow.
She totally got arrested dude, thrown in the slamma and charged!
Losing the penis usually means you can marry, but only because once you get the op, most states will let you ammend your birth certificate to show your new sex...
Sadly though, several states, including Kansas, have cases on record that show that if for any reason the legality of the marriage comes into question, your previous status will be used to dissolve the marriage...
It mostly comes up in estate suits and shit when someone dies...for instance, I get the surgery, get my birth certificate changed, we get married, live all happy and wonderfully and shit, and then you die...
Now say your brother goes, "Hold the fuck on! She's not even a real girl!!" Then the court looks at it, says he's right, and your estate or whatever goes to your family, and I get doodley shit except a dead husband and my name in the papers...
It's seedy seedy shit...I think there was a case where a trans-woman sued for wrongful death of her husband, only to have the court say, uhm, no, you're really a dude so this marriage wasn't real, sorry...
if they don't rightly give you my collection of GI Joe comics I will come back from the grave and haunt them!!
Hey! How about that barack obama? He sure is black, huh?
how bout that mccain.. he sure is pasty, huh ?
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i know it's not right to say it, but his forearms really freak me out. he's a full grown man with like midget arms!
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it's the Cong's fault. They busted him.
Wait, who has midget arms? Obama or McCain? I never noticed that.
Also, I think it's pretty cool that a man that might have been a slave 3 generations ago can become the most powerful person in the world 3 generations later. Say what you will but we might be on to something with this democracy thing.
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Unless your religion does not involve state worship.
Bush is a socialist, too. So is/was McPain. It was a choice between National Socialism (McCain) or a more proletariat socialism (yOmama). I chose neither.
I'm now excited for Bush to pardon a bunch of crazy people. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Charles Manson and Mark Whitacre.
Unfortunately, I think Manson's immune to Bush's immunization cause none of his crimes are federal.
Wait, its a constitutional amendment, and it only needed a simple majority to pass? What saves the constitution from the will of the majority that the constitution is supposed to protect from?
Sorry, mom, but you have no kids in school so just butt the fuck out. I drove my parents to the poll and my dad demanded I pull over and let him out when he found out I voted for a black man. I didn't pull over, I told him to go negate my vote and then we could all go get free ice cream..
As long as she's being forced to pay for it, she will have a say, whether or not we agree. I say we stop forcing our neighbors to pay for our good ideas.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
This kid here is going places!!
Giggan for prez in '12!
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meerk. i dont know. it's not so much that this country isnt ready for a female president. hillary was a strong candidate. i think that our connection with a lot of the world withstands much though. afghanistan iraq iran, and we have a female leading our country and there could be all out, at-all-cost war during that presidential elect speech.
maybe my logic is flawed on this line of thought and i'm not considering something simple here, but it is something that occurred to me while reading your post.
-kabol
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I don't know if that was a real consideration during the democratic primary. Maybe it was. Maybe crazy, fucked up countries would hate us more for having a woman that drives and doesn't wear a burka as Prez. Sigh.
50 years ago, this same mentality had everyone screaming that miscegenation would destroy the moral fabric of the country, and now we have a president who is a product of it...that's fucking poetic!
That's very positive and beautiful, really. I wish I'd thouht to tell my mother that when she started freaking about the children learning that girls sometimes love girls and boys sometimes love boys..
Sorry, mom, but you have no kids in school so just butt the fuck out. I drove my parents to the poll and my dad demanded I pull over and let him out when he found out I voted for a black man. I didn't pull over, I told him to go negate my vote and then we could all go get free ice cream..
As long as she's being forced to pay for it, she will have a say, whether or not we agree. I say we stop forcing our neighbors to pay for our good ideas.
I'm not sure how she is being forced to pay for anything in this regard? Everyone knows getting married is about the stupidest thing you can do tax wise so why not let everyone get equally screwed by the federal government if marriage is important to them?
Schools she is forced to pay for, whether she has kids in them or not. I have no idea if prop 8 had anything to do with schools or if it was just marriage, but word, as long as we have such a system (democracy) people will be oppressed by the majority, it will suck.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I'm sick of hearing about what's good and bad for the children. Screw the children. I want to see men kiss on TV!
There is hope, but not for us.
But it has nothing to DO with the schools at all. That's just a remote possibility that it might be taught in schools. It was propaganda that scared the pants off her.
I think people should have to take tests to vote, get married, have babies. I'm a radical!
With full frontal nudity! At least on HBO!
I think people should have to take tests to vote, get married, have babies. I'm a radical!
http://chuckpalahniuk.net/forum/1000041/bogus-robocall-tells-floridians-...
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
But Garret, everyone benefits from the school system, even if they never have a child that passes through it. That's why everyone has to pay for it. Schools provide us with things like universal literacy and standards of discipline. You really want to have a dude at the drive-through who can't count change?
There is hope, but not for us.
Whatever, Jean-Jaques Rousseau.
No, I can't justify theft in any situation. But this is a complex issue. People will be educated because parents want to educate them. You can't force a service on me, no matter how beneficial, just like I can't mow your lawn for you and tell you it looks better, now pay me.
If McDonald's wants happy customers, they'll teach ppl how to count change.
And I prob shouldn't point this out, cause again, complexity of the issue that I can't fully express, but anyways...coerced funding of education only acts as welfare for the middle class. Poorer ppl can't afford the taxes and are still stuck with em, and middle class ppl can afford, but are paying less than they would cause most of the cost is handed off to the rich.
And my sig applies again. No consent, no morality.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Your ideas would lead to a dysfunctional society, one that would be even more intellectually and fiscally stifling than the one we already have.
There is hope, but not for us.
Whatever, Jean-Jaques Rousseau.
No, I can't justify theft in any situation. But this is a complex issue. People will be educated because parents want to educate them. You can't force a service on me, no matter how beneficial, just like I can't mow your lawn for you and tell you it looks better, now pay me.
If McDonald's wants happy customers, they'll teach ppl how to count change.
And I prob shouldn't point this out, cause again, complexity of the issue that I can't fully express, but anyways...coerced funding of education only acts as welfare for the middle class. Poorer ppl can't afford the taxes and are still stuck with em, and middle class ppl can afford, but are paying less than they would cause most of the cost is handed off to the rich.
And my sig applies again. No consent, no morality.
It's not welfare for the middle class. It's childcare for the poor. /cynicism
Coerced funding of education kind of boggles my mind. The education of a country's youth is important for it to continue functioning. Kind of like electricity.
It's amazing that he hasn't figured that part out yet. It's even MORE totalitarian, because unless every "free" person thinks the same way, it would devolve into chaos overnight.
Whatever, Jean-Jaques Rousseau.
No, I can't justify theft in any situation. But this is a complex issue. People will be educated because parents want to educate them. You can't force a service on me, no matter how beneficial, just like I can't mow your lawn for you and tell you it looks better, now pay me.
If McDonald's wants happy customers, they'll teach ppl how to count change.
And I prob shouldn't point this out, cause again, complexity of the issue that I can't fully express, but anyways...coerced funding of education only acts as welfare for the middle class. Poorer ppl can't afford the taxes and are still stuck with em, and middle class ppl can afford, but are paying less than they would cause most of the cost is handed off to the rich.
And my sig applies again. No consent, no morality.
It's not welfare for the middle class. It's childcare for the poor. /cynicism
Coerced funding of education kind of boggles my mind. The education of a country's youth is important for it to continue functioning. Kind of like electricity.
Exactly. When the Congo became an independent nation in 1960 and attempted to modernize, they had 32 college graduates, out of a country of 10 million(ish) people. No engineers, no architects. The lack of universal education has really served them well, no?
There is hope, but not for us.
But they're free to carry out genocide on each other, Jane. What the hell is wrong with you?
I miss the old days, when Belgium did all the genociding. They were fucking efficient.
There is hope, but not for us.
Too bad they're just known for their waffles now. Sad.
I wish the Mormon Church would have kept their money out of California. This is bullshit.