Is Freedom What We Really Want?
Found this article, thought it'd be a good discussion.
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Do the ends justify the means? Does the positive outcome of a series of socially and morally wrong actions make them right? Hypothetically, if the death of few (in relation to all of mankind and its future) could end war, does that make those deaths acceptable? What if those deaths ultimately put an end to war? Is it worth it?
In 1933, Adolf Hitler began a genocide. He believed that multiculture was the death of his nation, and therefore found it necessary to exterminate the Jews. Common knowledge and years of Freedom-Culture teach us that such a belief – that one race is superior to another – is completely and totally wrong and intolerable. But what nobody thinks about is this – What if Hitler won the war and finished what he started? Where would we be? Certainly we would be decades behind in terms of human rights and political activism.
I say, no.
Imagine a world where we are all the same. Sure, it’s boring, but is the tragedy of war really worth diversity?
During any given year, there are hundreds of wars being fought all around the world. And why? For what reason? Color. Religion. Minor personal differences are the cause of mass death.
Which is the true horror? A world where we kill each other because we are different, or a world where we are all the same. Both realities have their share of terror. We currently live in the former. On September 11, 2001, one man believed that his faith was superior to our entire lifestyle. He voiced his opinion by flying two trans-con jetliners full of civilians into two buildings full of even more civilians. Over six-thousand innocent Americans died. In the Middle East, people detonate themselves in crowded public areas. What is their motivation?
Human difference.
We all have two eyes, a nose, two ears, and a mouth. We all look fundamentally alike. We all have muscles underneath our skin. We have a stomach. We have a heart, and we have a brain. But it is the brain, something that we all have, that makes us different. This ironic fact has put the human race in danger since the beginning of time. The very aspect that makes us human is what can end us forever.
But there’s still that nagging thought. The thought that tells you that this is anti-human, that thinking this way destroys the value of life. The thought that says that being different is what makes us what we are, that because we are different, we are a beautiful species.
But at the same time, that which makes us beautiful is that which will destroy us.
Herein lies the great contradiction. We have listened to talk of impending world peace for as long as we have lived. But I’ve been thinking that world peace isn’t going to come. We can sit back and wish all we want, but it’s not happening.
The only possible way for world peace to come about is if we can miraculously end all prejudice, and this is not a possibility. As long as we are capable of making decisions, then we will always have white supremacy, we will always have terrorists, we will always have the extremist. And because of this, there will always be people who feel that they are superior to the person next to them. Hatred will perpetuate itself based on this fact.
I cannot think of how any form of peace can occur while this is happening. I can only envision lasting peace under the circumstances of there being one race, one religion, and one government.
But as humans, we will now allow this to happen. We will not sacrifice our human rights for peace.
Because of this reality, I believe that deep down, behind all of the Freedom-Culture, we do not want world peace. We want war, we want death, we want other people to understand that we are better than they are. Perhaps we don’t directly want these things, but they come hand in hand with what we do want, and that is individuality.
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Bite me.
so what is this article suggesting?
obviously, insom didn't think this was such a good topic. still, the author of this article talks in more than one voice and i am utterly confused.
I don't want freedom, just a world full of mittens, space robots, sandwiches and the occasional viking or pirate.
Did Grade5 get this off insom's blog?
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ROTFLMFAO!!!111111!!!!
Look at me! Look at me! I'm dark and slightly dangerous!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alex [/i]
[B]I don't want freedom, just a world full of mittens, space robots, sandwiches and the occasional viking or pirate. [/B][/QUOTE]
As long as some of those robots can do sexual favors im in!
Oh and well probably need some lub.
Rated R for disturbing and graphic depiction of violent anti-social behavior, sexuality and language.
Well it explains her comment: "SO much better than you etc" because she could just delete the thread. Also, didn't she used to have a link to her blog in her sig?
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the article is littered with ignorance under the facade of deep thought
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Yes, then her sig got to be 64 lines long...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by origamiLips [/i]
[B]the article is littered with ignorance under the facade of deep thought [/B][/QUOTE] And it's poorly written.
Look at me! Look at me! I'm dark and slightly dangerous!
Its getting a little cluttered thats for sure. Maybe there should be a "My Ideal Sig If Space Permitted" thread?
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Robb-23, why would you want the robots to perform sexual favours? Pirates aren't good enough for you? you don't deserve freedom, it's spoiled you.
Hmmm pirates do have that whole scurvy thing going on, that would mean some good blow jobs.
Though bloody.
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It kind of relates to my view on medicating people for 'mental illness'.. ie: depression, etc.
I'm against it cos I feel it restricts freedom, it keeps you from being yourself, and places this stigma on being different. Like it's taboo to be sad and such. So this guy is just taking that to a global level. Let's medicate the WHOLE human race so we can get along and not fight blah blah blah..
So yeah, if I don't even want to do it on a person by person basis.. Fuck doing it globally...
you know, mirkah, just when i was beginning to like you just a little bit, you go and say something like this. thanks.
I'm against it cos I feel it restricts freedom, it keeps you from being yourself, and places this stigma on being different. Like it's taboo to be sad and such.
no, disx, we've been over this--you're against medication for mental illness because you're a hardassed crank who takes delight in other people's suffering. don't put that "freedom" spin on it--that's just like dubya.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]you know, mirkah, just when i was beginning to like you just a little bit, you go and say something like this. thanks.[/B][/QUOTE]
well if you read my other post:
"Well it explains her comment: "SO much better than you etc" because she could just delete the thread. Also, didn't she used to have a link to her blog in her sig?'
you can see it was an honest speculation and not a jab. As for liking me, I'm just glad you're no longer following me around dotting all my I's for me.
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ah boo hoo! bring on the woman!
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
yeah. an honest speculation after everyone else commented on how poorly written, and pretentious it was. the least you can do when you insult a person like that is to back it up when you get called on it.
the comment i made was JOKE. because at the end of the post G5 put up it said "we do not want world peace. We want war, we want death, we want other people to understand that we are better than they are." i was making fun of it. and i'm totally insulted that you think i write drivel like that.
also. i never had a link to my blog in my sig. it was a link to another message board belonging to a friend. it's not there anymore.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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You guys tore that article apart.
Sheeeeeeeee-it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]yeah. an honest speculation after everyone else commented on how poorly written, and pretentious it was. [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, read it again. I was the 5th person that posted before all that.
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fine. i'll concede that technicality, but it doesn't alter the fact that you made a deliberately insulting comment. for no reason whatsoever.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]fine. i'll concede that technicality, but it doesn't alter the fact that you made a deliberately insulting comment. for no reason whatsoever. [/B][/QUOTE]
No I did not. I made a [i]mistake[/i]. Take that any way you want.
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I suppose that's as close as you get to an apology, huh.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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huh? I have nothing to apologize for. I really suggest you read my posts again.
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whatever. you all still got a big laugh at my expense. i guess if that's what makes you happy, there's nothing i can do about it. later.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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Insom,
1)I posted a speculation
2) someone posted a LMAO
3) I posted a clarification
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to the lads of the board.
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these two duking it out, bathed in raisin butter
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oh yes.
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
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M-ho donkey punching Wes
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making sweet love on the way to Vegas.
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case closed.
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
What the heck is raisin butter?
There is hope, but not for us.
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M-ho holding out for an apology
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jane s. [/i]
[B]What the heck is raisin butter? [/B][/QUOTE]
i just invented it Nabisco Queen.
would you like to purchase teh recipe.?
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
If by 'purchase' you mean 'give it to Jane for free cause you *heart* her', then yes.
There is hope, but not for us.
"no, disx, we've been over this--you're against medication for mental illness because you're a hardassed crank who takes delight in other people's suffering. don't put that "freedom" spin on it--that's just like dubya."
Bullshit.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jane s. [/i]
[B]If by 'purchase' you mean 'give it to Jane for free cause you *heart* her', then yes. [/B][/QUOTE]
mmm maybe.
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
fuck you, grade 5. i am SO better than you are. i hope you understand that.
[SIZE=1][QUOTE=ehquestionmark]Wow. This little thread got CRAZY. People telling me to abuse my girlfriend, people showing an alarming lack of respect for women as a whole, people questioning my masculinity in some kind of bizarre machoistic pissing-contest. Hell, I even got called stuffy. [/QUOTE]
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