Good night, Neighbor.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by decalogue [/i]
[B]Fred Rogers died last night and I am saddened. [/B][/QUOTE]

Everyone should wear a sweater vest tomorrow. And every Feb. 25 from now on.

A zip-up cardigan, actually. I'm wearing mine today (only mine has buttons, no zipper.)

You know, as much as my adult self shuns the kind of innocence and sweetness that Mr. Rogers stand for, I'm going to have to peel aside my crust for a moment and admit that, thanks to my parents and shows like Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood (as well as Sesame Street, Square One, 3-2-1 Contact and Reading Rainbow), my cynicism didn't set in until a relatively uncommon late age.

Sadly, there's no one who can even remotely fill his shoes for my future children. We'll make do, I guess. There's always reruns.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]You know, as much as my adult self shuns the kind of innocence and sweetness that Mr. Rogers stand for, I'm going to have to peel aside my crust for a moment and admit that, thanks to my parents and shows like Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood (as well as Sesame Street, Square One, 3-2-1 Contact and Reading Rainbow), my cynicism didn't set in until a relatively uncommon late age.

Sadly, there's no one who can even remotely fill his shoes for my future children. We'll make do, I guess. There's always reruns. [/B][/QUOTE]

Same as me. Im only a 2 year old cynic at a human western society age of 16.

Wasnt Mr Rogers a bit too cheesey? kind of like how the Brady Bunch was invented to take peoples minds off Vietnam? ( i could be wrong, im just curious )

its just sad that a show as classic as Mr. Rogers will never be made again.
if you went and tried to pitch a show like his now you would be laughed out of the office.

I don't share your sadness. I grew up with Mr. Dressup and Fred Penner, i never liked Mr. Rodgers....Its terrible, huh?

My condolences.

Dude's a legend. Do you want kids watch a show with a real nice person or some gay pink dinosaur? I mean shit, seriously.

It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood,
A beautiful day for a neighbor.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood,
A neighborly day for a beauty.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?...

I've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you.
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So, let's make the most of this beautiful day.
Since we're together we might as well say:
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?
Won't you please,
Won't you please?
Please won't you be my neighbor?

Bye Mr. Rogers...you will be missed.

the world could use some more gentle souls like you...

sweet dreams Mr. Rogers.

It never even really occurred to me that Mr. Rogers wasn't immortal. He'd been around when my dad was a kid, he was around when I was a little kid. He'd ALWAYS been there. It's so weird. He was supposed to live forever.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by twosmokingbarre [/i]
[B]Everyone should wear a sweater vest tomorrow. And every Feb. 25 from now on. [/B][/QUOTE]

Except he died Feb. 27. But, ya, I wore a button up cardigan, today (I think that is what he wore).

[QUOTE]Fred Rogers died last night and I am saddened.[/QUOTE]

Never heard of him before.

[QUOTE][B]Never heard of him before. [/B][/QUOTE]

I guess he's just an American thing. Well, he had this show on Public Telivision(?) for kids called "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood." That started in the '60's and ended in 2000. He would always where cardigans and he was just a real nice guy.

for more info:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/27/rogers.obit/index.html[/url]

i remeber the student body at ODU down the road from me getting upset as having Mr. Rogers doing their graduation speech, like it was "childish" or something. i figured it would have been an honor. funny how we take things like that for granted, the guy was an icon.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by plastic [/i]
[B] i figured it would have been an honor. funny how we take things like that for granted, the guy was an icon. [/B][/QUOTE]

No kidding. This man - an ultra-liberal, anti-war, HIV awareness activist - was given the Presidential Medal of Honor last year by George W. Bush. He's an American hero and a source of great local pride - being from and having filmed all of his shows right here in Pittsburgh. I was invited to visit the set once a couple years ago, and actually sneaked inside Henrietta Pussycat's tree and Friday XIII's castle. Very cool.

Fred, also, was exactly as he appeared on TV - an absolute [i]'walked it like he talked it'[/i] guy.

i loved the land of make believe, except lady evelyn was kinda scary...kinda looked like a crack-whore muppet, or like eminem's mom. anyone remember the little trolly's name?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by decalogue [/i]
[B]I was invited to visit the set once a couple years ago, and actually sneaked inside Henrietta Pussycat's tree and Friday XIII's castle. Very cool.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Wow. I'm overwhelmed with jealousy. How'd you get hooked up with that?

Moe is thinking of Lady Elayne Fairechilde who was, indeed, kinda creepy. My personal favorite was Dr. William Platypus. ("Doc. Bill Platypus")

The trolly was called, "Trolly" or are you thinking of the Troll? His name, iirc, is Robert (played by Bob Trowl - get it?)

I was at the set for a photoshoot for WQED (the local PBS station) 'cos I'm a (very [b]very[/b] minor) local celebrity (of sorts.)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rents [/i]
[B]It never even really occurred to me that Mr. Rogers wasn't immortal. He'd been around when my dad was a kid, he was around when I was a little kid. He'd ALWAYS been there. It's so weird. He was supposed to live forever. [/B][/QUOTE]

I know. And he always looked the same age.

It's embarrassing to know how long it took me to figure out he did all the voices for the make believe thing. I loved that show when I was little.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PsychoKeety [/i]
[B]I know. And he always looked the same age. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, his hair wasn't white when I first watched the show (we're talking 1968/69 here, though... )

But yeah, I was an adult before I went, "Oh, [i]duh![/i]"
I'm meow meow kinda dumb like that meow.

on the last page, where someone typed the mister rogers theme song, it actually brought a little tear to my eye and gave me little goose pimples. i agree, the man is a legend.
before i opened this page, i was thinking i was going to have to defend mr rogers' memory. the fact that he's being respected and not mocked, shows he did his job well. right?
mr rogers, you will be missed.

At least he didn't die of AIDS, that would have been too ironic for people to deal with. Or lung cancer, it would be weird to find out Mr. Rogers was a heavy smoker. I dunno. He will be missed.

[QUOTE]except lady evelyn was kinda scary...[/QUOTE]

i loved lady elaine. she was my favorite, actually. prince tuesday needed to die, though, as did daniel striped tiger. i also loved curious X the owl and his songs about owl correspondence school. king friday was the man. "correct as usual king friday." sweet. i want ppl to address me in that manner from now on.

i know i'm weird. oscar the grouch has been my favorite sesame street character since i was about 18 mos...i am totally serious...when i was little and we'd go to the beach or a park or somewhere where there were metal trash cans, i'd run over to them and open the tops looking for oscar.

interesting how on a board full of ppl who admire chuck's work so much there are ppl willing to admit to having watched mr. rogers...seems fairly contradictory. but i guess mr. rogers is universal.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]interesting how on a board full of ppl who admire chuck's work so much there are ppl willing to admit to having watched mr. rogers...seems fairly contradictory...[/B][/QUOTE]

I totally disagree. Fred was all about individualism and self-discovery and "you being you", which is - in the end - what CP's books boil down to. Maybe Fred did feel that we _are_ all 'beautiful and unigue snowflakes', but I betcha that deep down Chuckie P. agrees.

With more Fred Rogerses in the world we wouldn't [i]need[/i] any Tyler Durdens.

Thoughts?

if mr rogers was our image of god does that mean he's like our father? coming from tyler, "if our fathers are our models for god, if our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about god?" mister rogers would never bail on us and god would be alot easier to understand.
yeah. we still need tyler durdens because, i mean, eight gazillion kids watched the show and all of them are like us's. so we all need tyler and we all need fred... excuse me... mister rogers. then again, i'm not complaining as long as all the mr rogers arent clones and don't touch kids in their bathing suit areas.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by decalogue [/i]
[B]Moe is thinking of Lady Elayne Fairechilde who was, indeed, kinda creepy. My personal favorite was Dr. William Platypus. ("Doc. Bill Platypus")

The trolly was called, "Trolly" or are you thinking of the Troll? His name, iirc, is Robert (played by Bob Trowl - get it?)

I was at the set for a photoshoot for WQED (the local PBS station) 'cos I'm a (very [b]very[/b] minor) local celebrity (of sorts.) [/B][/QUOTE]

thanks, dec. it was trolly...i loved his little coming and going song. and hey, as long as we're talking about favorite mr. rogers stuff, i looked forward to the field trips. i learned all about baking bread and how mail was handled at the post office, thanks to ol' fred.

Anyone remember Ragdoll Tommy?

i don't remember ragdoll tommy, mostly all i remember is lady elaines' red red nose, king friday's cool white beard and stache, i remember hating the owl, and hating the kittie cats winey voice, and i loved how all their arms stuck out infront of thier tiny bodies. as if waiting to hug their neighbor. i liked the traffic light that mr rogers stole and i like the fish tank.

[QUOTE]I totally disagree. Fred was all about individualism and self-discovery and "you being you", which is - in the end - what CP's books boil down to. Maybe Fred did feel that we _are_ all 'beautiful and unigue snowflakes', but I betcha that deep down Chuckie P. agrees.

With more Fred Rogerses in the world we wouldn't need any Tyler Durdens.[/QUOTE]

kind of reminds me of, "in the world i envision, marilyn manson doesn't need to exist." --marilyn manson

still, i'm going to have to disagree with you about this...it seems contradictory because the idea behind tyler durden and fight club is the remasculinization of society...the rejection of the exact "beautiful and unique snowflake" philosophy of someone like mr. rogers--essentially a search for adulthood by violently rejecting the values of innocence and childhood. to me fight club--an attempt to recover a brutal nature through exposure to violence--and the land of make believe--an attempt to retain an innocent and childlike nature through escape into imagination-- are mutually exclusive things.

but that's just my perspective.

I see what you're saying, and - [i]in context[/i] - I agree; Tyler is all about the rejection, and even destruction, of everything false and worthless in 'civilization' that we we have created and apotheosized. In that nameless, faceless drone-world which Tyler sought to end (and replace with his envisioned post-technological world), we are not beautiful and unique snowflakes because we can no longer afford to [b]allow[/b] ourselves that luxury to [b]become[/b] individuals. At the dawn of history, [b]we[/b] were gods. But no longer. We have turned ourselves, through the deification of money, power, and material goods, into cogs in a machine/drones in a hive/robots on an assembly line/pick your own metaphor... (see also Fritz Lang's [i]Metropolis[/i].)

But in Fred's envisioned world - preceding Tyler's - we never became the crude, power-worshipping automatons that need occasionally to have their heads kicked in just to wake them up. In a world where imagination and play and individuality are valued rather than seen as distractions, we don't [i]need[/i] to start over.

You think?

i say let's evolve, lets never be complete..... let the chips fall where they may, but that's just me.
sorry. bad attempt at being clever. sdrawkcab etouq

i can see your point, decalogue, but we'll have to agree to disagree. which is not to say that i'm not a fan of the land of make believe. i just see it as separate from the world of fight club.