Creation Museum near Cincinnati helps delusional parents teach bogus science to children (lots of dumbfounding pictures inside)

It's gotta be some sort of joke.

It just baffles me. They use reasoning and language that could barely fool a four year old. These people are either completely joking or completely brainwashed.

It wouldn't be so bad if there was more evidence than "because the Bible said so". There are intelligent Christians in the world, you would think they would figure out that that argument isn't working. It's like one big story. It's the story museum.

No, their most intelligent argument would be, "You can't disprove creationism," which is true, because you can't prove a negative. But... you know... I can't disprove that I'm a brain in a vat. Logic is built through probabilities... and so is evolution, soooo... yeah.

Creation museums/theme parks are all over the place now.

TRex was vegetarian before the Fall.

All kinda things You Didn't Know!

We can't prove that the fall of the Roman empire wasn't caused by a t-Rex, so they may be onto something.

TRex was extinct by the fall of the Roman Empire.

'Twas the giant ground sloth by which the great Ceasar was toppl'd.

I want to take Gabriel to this museum. The thing he has the most groaning teen angst over, just about the only thing really, is illogical stupidity. I think his head might explode over it. He would seriously have a fit at every exhibit. It might actually strike him speechless for once if we made it through the whole thing.

Logic can't explain everything, you dolts. Nobody knows where we really came from, neither creationists or you boring assholes. This is such a bitter thread.

Yeah, I'm with S on this.

All depends on how long they think the dinosaurs lived.

So you think it's okay to teach these things to children in the context of science rather than religion?

Why don't you and Mike both try adding something to the discussion rather than being rude.

I remember when threads like these sparked long, intelligent debates. What the fuck has happened to this place?

You're a brain in a vat!

EDIT - Epistemology was the worst class ever. I'm convinced it's just a bunch of people that can't get over the idea that they're just arguing over semantics. I wrote my final on that idea. My professor got mad. He gave me a C on it with no explanation, the dick.

The only bitterness I see is that coming from BigS, and I guess Mike, if he agrees with him.

These creationists are attacking the beliefs that I suspect most of the people in this thread adhere to, you know, that through the power of observation and deductions of probabilities it is far more reasonable an idea that the physical universe and world we live within were created over billions of years by the beautiful natural forces that science has concluded (and continues to seek to improve its understanding of).

So why not mock and make fun of those who would mock and adulterate what one has intelligently decided is the most likely truth based upon reasonable evidence?

That said, the creation story of the bible is my favorite. And it is a very beautiful and awe inspiring story. I applaud the authors who imagined such wonder when faced with the need for an explanation of their own existence and condition. Yet, aside from what it is able to stir emotionally within a person, it is no longer relevant.

What I have a problem with is the term "Creationist Science". It's not. Period.

hahahahhahahahha

Don't they know not to fuck with Lib when it comes to that particular word?

They only use that word to try to sound legitimate while tearing apart everything for which it stands.

Ah yes... I remember that old argument. Haha, yeah, I've got issues when it comes to that. I've become more lenient about it as of late, but creationism is something I simply cannot stand. I hate it with every fiber of my being. But at this point, I've gone through the arguments so much that I'm just tired of it. So... so very tired. I've only been able to thoroughly convince two people out of creationism, and that's only because they were actually interested to understand the other side. But it's come to the point where I just can't take creationism seriously enough for someone to not get offended when I debate them, which makes it impossible to convince them of anything. So I don't try anymore with those people.

Yes, this may all sound very dickish, pompous, and lacking in scientific integrity, but... fuck it.

That's four. We're on a roll this year.

Everyone is afraid of conflict. If anyone attempts to have any conversation about anything even slightly controversial tons of members (that is a bit of an overstatement as I guess there is just the couple dozen of us posting regularly these days) take objection, start complaining about it or flat out say they can't stand seeing it in "every thread".

there were some interesting things being talked about about that had to do with women and the way modern popular culture affects them a month or two ago and people started getting all cranky about all the "feminism" in every thread. It is like that with everything, bring up anything with politics or anything philosophical or or having to do with "touchy" world subjects and it is squashed down as annoying to read by others right away. Requests for the conversation to end and everyone to chill out.

I guess everyone would rather just only ever talk about what they ate and what they are wearing and the same old crap they do all the time repeated again and again in PA, because those are safe and not scary subjects.

It is something that has been bothering me about the cult for a while now and one of the reasons I haven't been around much this past spring. It just gets boring. You want to hear what is actually in people you are interacting with as friends heads but everyone is too afraid to have any conversation that might expose their thoughts and so if anyone does try to strike up interesting topics it is shut down by others quickly.

That totally blows. This place used to be interesting. Sure, things got heard sometimes, but we all survived. I hate reading about what people eat, that is probably my least favorite thread of all time. Apparently two people have shown up in this thread with opposing views. But they didn't exactly try to avoid conflict, they called us bitter, boring assholes.

Up to five.

^5!!

Fucking hell. And the last three have been within the past month. What in god's name is going on around here?

Sounds like a Looove Connection!

Very deep seeded issues, dear.

I do believe we shut that thread down with that argument. Nobody ever posted in it again.

Something like this (creation museum) is so far from my reality and the world I live in, that I find it hard to believe it exists. It's ridiculous and non-beneficial for kids to learn about bible stories like they're true.

I miss the controversy, the abuse, the obscenity, the toughness. I don't mind some cuteness every now and then, but everyone is caught up in the hype of the latest TV series, or blockbuster movie, JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE. There used to be smartness and critical debate, about obscure subjects sometimes. This place used to be original without trying to be.

I am not nostalgic, I just dislike how lukewarm we have become. This is nothing but the Cult of Softness now here.

It is now fashionable to dismiss Chuck entirely, but I think I remember he wrote a couple of decent books that rang a bell for some of us. It is okay to pull away from him if we don't like his recent stuff, but instead of moving on to other thought-provoking authors or works we just sit there looking interested in our navels.

Concerning the creationists : those idiots and the people who pull the strings behind them are not so distant cousins of the assholes that govern countries like Saudi Arabia. I mention this country because no artifact or building older than 1000 years has escaped destruction out there, meaning that treasures of knowledge, for example related to the beginnings of Islam and the previous eras, have been lost forever to obscurantism.

And to Big S : what the fuck are you talking about ? Because logic cannot explain everything doesn't mean it cannot explain anything. It fucking angries me when we get pulled down to the level of the lowest denominator.

It would be helpful to the place if people put effort into making new topics when something strikes their fancy or mind. Too often things that could be fun topics are just made as PA's and moved past quickly in that beast of a thread.

It may be silly, but my argument for science whenever creationists say "but it can't explain that" is "Yet". Remember there was a time when we thought the Earth was flat? Or that the Sun was moving around us? Or that an atom could not be split? Discoveries will happen, even if you somehow destroy all evidence we have so far. And guess what? Because it's true and can be observable and will always be some smart guy (or girl) who will understand its mechanisms and explain it to us, and then everything will make sense once again. We may not be able to explain the origin of life, but someday, maybe even hundreds of years from now, maybe someone will.

I saw the best answer to the science can't explain that argument on ask yahoo.
"But you won't listen to reason. It's like playing chess with a pigeon no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious."
I don't think i'll ever write anything as persuasive as that.

All of these things. Plus what pepper said. Which is why I made this thread. Funny thing is it only had five responses until I added the bit about it having pictures to the title. It's not like there are a bunch of other threads to read, so I don't understand why threads like this one get ignored.

well to be honest, not everyone comes to the Cult to prove themselves. A lot of us come here to chill out and enjoy talking about the latest tv series. Yes that may seem a bit "pedestrian" to you, but to me a lot of the "debates" here have simply been navel gazing or an excuse to brown-nose.

Hattie, there was a time when topics like these were all over the place. And people chimed in and discussed them, usually in an intelligent manner. That was a big part of what the cult was. Sure, everyone still went to PA and posted silly things in silly threads, but there was also intelligent discussion to be had. Now there is none and when one gets started people insult those involved. I don't know what has happened to this place.

It's not about proving oneself or brown nosing, it's about sharing ideas and open discussion.

Yes, I remember and miss that era - but Ludwig's post was rather up himself and it bothered me.

I know the "debate" threads are not always supposed to be about proving oneself or brown nosing but a lot of them are and it can be very tiresome.

On topic, I, like Imke, cannot imagine this museum existing over the pond. There would be a massive public outcry here. They gave a shit load of grief when they opened that Charles Dickens theme park.

Well Ludwig has the ability to come off that way, it happens. But there is an easy fix with threads you don't like, you just don't read them.

This. Exactly. I do not see why when people do try to discuss or debate or even argue things that amuse or intrigue them others have to chime in so much with the groaning and telling people to cut it out and even sometimes "well, I guess I'll be taking a break from here since it's all about stuff I don't want to read all the time."

Why can't one just skip over it then?

There are a few members here, some not posting that often anymore these days but still, there are some members whose posts I never read if they are more than a line or two. I just don't care what those people have to say. There are probably people who do this with my posts. There are other times when subjects or topics come up and all one has to do is lightly skim it to get the jist and decide it isn't worth the bother to read. There are topics I will avoid completely because the subject matter bore or disgusts me, I may go take a look now and then just to get an update on whether the subject has changed if it is getting a lot of responses, but it is easy to see if one wants to bother reading through them all or not.

Nobody is forcing anybody to thoroughly read through anything or reply to it. But people do try to get people not to write and discuss things. That annoys me.

And it is a big groaning joke about "State of the Cult" anytime anything is said about discontent with the forum. That is fine, it is kind of funny. I make the joke too. But I don't see why everyone should be so afraid of talking about the way the forum is going.

I miss having some more serious discussion based threads around here too, but I feel like I don't really have anything to say on this particular topic that hasn't already been said. I agree that this Creation Museum is ridiculous and ignorant and ire-inducing; and I can't imagine a 'museum' like this being built in any other country but America. Pretty sure that even the Vatican, for all their backwards views on issues like contraception; wouldn't approve of something like this. It feels like a particularly American brand of extremism to me. I'd actually be interested to know if anyone knows of similar beliefs, teachings or muesums in other places around the world, because I don't know of any.

This whole discussion got started because of S's particularly rude comment, which lacked any attempt at discussion and mike's simple aggreance with him. If you don't have anything to say, there is nothing wrong with that. But attacking people for wanting a discussion is unacceptable.

Which threads were those? I recall one thread in particular about violence against women in the modern day military, and something about what the Slutwalk thing was supposed to be.

People are allowed to call things out like they see them. It goes both ways. When someone posts art work made from menstrual blood, it's okay to say it's gross.

And when self proclaimed "feminist" members make a point to inject hostility and hatred in every thread, regardless of the subject, and out of context, purposely misconstruing others' posts to promote their agenda, people are allowed to express displeasure with it.

People should make any thread they want about whatever subject matter they'd like, but without any sort of expectation of the outcome. This site isn't going to hold the same relevance for every individual who posts here, and that's okay. Speaking as a member for several years now, this place is nothing today like it was the day I joined. But it's not any better or any worse, because it's just a website. I value the friendships I've cultivated here, most of which survive (and thrive) outside of this place, while the site itself just ebbs and flows. It shouldn't be so important to one's emotional well being (the content of the site itself, I mean...or the perceived quality of the posts made in any given thread).

Also, it's not really fair to take six month breaks at a time and come back and go "WHAT HAPPENED OMG YOU PEOPLE PISS ME OFF". (Melody don't take that personally, but that's just an observation of what you do).

For what it's worth, and as a practicing Catholic, I think the creationism thing is dumb and so do most Catholics I know. I don't really give a shit what other people choose to believe or indoctrinate their children with, though. And I don't personally push my kids to get upset over such things. I'm more interested in teaching them how they can affect change in the lives of others in positive ways. I'd rather inspire them to feel love, compassion and kinship towards others than focusing on how they can feel morally and intellectually superior and cause them frustration over things they can't change and that will have no tangible bearing on their own lives.

There were discussions about female sexuality, things were said about how biologically females are meant to be monogamous to one male whereas males are meant to spread their genes, which is just flat out untrue and it was implied that having a sexuality at all that is independent of attachment to a male is "slutty" because of this false assumption that women are meant to belong to one male biologically.

A lot of it happened in PA.

People were accused of being hostile feminists just because they had strong opinions. I find this really ridiculous, personally, when I am accused of having a feminist agenda. I value equal rights and acceptance of difference between both males and females and for both males and females. Just because I want my daughter to grow up with a healthy self image does not mean that I do not want my sons to grow up with healthy self images.

As far as art made out of menstrual blood being pointed out as gross, yeah, point that out please. Maybe if it is pointed out enough someone will point out that talking about licking assholes is nasty too (not that you were talking about that Alecia, I don't know if you were and I'm not going to go reread it)

For one, I wasn't gone for six months. And two I didn't get all all caps angry and you people piss me off. I got a little pissed at Big S and Mike and I think for good reason. They came in here and instead of adding to the discussion they insulted everyone and left. Is it wrong that I was annoyed by that? I should hope not.

So that led to a discussion about people generally not participating in intelligent discussions. I wasn't angry, I was just talking. I think you often misread me, Alecia. I was upset with those two for bringing nothing to the table and being assholes about it. It spawned a discussion about what things are like here versus what they used to be like. I don't know why you think I'm so angry.

Me too, I can't imagine it happening here in a million years! I think we're lucky.

I was really taken aback the other day when I was picking up my cousin from Beavers (scouts but for tiny kids, don't make rude jokes) and at the end she made them all say the lord's prayer. I thought, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Very annoying. I don't mind religion but I'd rather it kept to religious places, it certainly shouldn't be put forward as science.

Just read the whole thread. Dear me.

Being open and honest does not equal being angry. I was angry with the attitude of Big S and Mike, nothing else.

No it isn't that. There were always disinterested and angry people when there was a wealth of debate threads going. There was just enough people left over to contribute, too. The biggest problem is there's not enough people posting here, that's why there's not enough debate or new threads. I think the few of us left are mostly just finding a common ground with new TV and movies, it's easy and it's light and it's better than nothing.

And that's all well and good, i don't mind at all if that's where people want to spend their time. I do mind people coming into threads like this with a bad attitude and I will regret that there isn't as much interest as there would have been at one time. Doesn't mean I like anyone any less or think any less of them for their choice in threads.

I'm sorry if I have been coming off bitchy at all. there are just a lot of things I've been wanting to say for a while now but I have just been avoiding posting much at all instead. Honestly, I haven't even said much of anything I've wanted to say anyway.

I try to come up with interesting topics, or even just random topics trying to encourage people to post creative, clever, humorous, interesting or even derailing things in them, sometime my topics get lots of love, sometimes they barely get posted in at all. It doesn't have to be a debate to be interesting.

My main complaint is just that it has been boring, and I would like to encourage people to help make it not boring. Solutions are better than complaints. I'm honestly not even too bothered by that even though, because I'll just not post or check in if I am so bored with it all.

The main reason I am posting in this thread so much today is because I am bored and avoiding housework.

I understand that, my comment wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. I was just implying that by not reading the rest of the thread and then reading after that I'd missed the turn of events. In that it had gone a bit tense in here. I was going to post a thread the other day about niquabs and the whole debate about banning them but was put off by thought that no one would give a shit, so I do get it.

This place is different things to different people, like that room in Harry Potter, and we should all just respect other people's right to use it as they like (except spam and other rules breaking stuff, don't want to ruin the metaphor) and feel like we can use it as we like.

What's all this they stuff? I agreed that people on both sides of an issue who base their argument on 'They're so dumb for having a different viewpoint.' annoy me. Hardcore Atheists are just as annoying as hardcore Christians when both of them look down their nose at the other side.

Again, what's all this they stuff?

Oh, haha, I read that post in a totally different way. You posted just after I said I hadn't been angry and I thought you were telling me to just read the thread. My bad.

Rather than express an opinion or present other information, you said, "I agree with that guy.". Who had just called us all bitter, boring assholes.