Conspiracy Theories
Brilliant article, here. I'm going to have to check out the rest of this guy's site, cos this article was just awesome. He really has a grip on things here, and does a good job of getting at some of the things I've tried to get at and disassociates his own beliefs from the real 'conspiracy theories'.
Anyhow, here it is.....
[url=http://www.blackcommentator.com/38/38_cover.html]Conspiracy Theories[/url]
Americans are now forced to do what they find hardest in life: consider that the world does not revolve around them, that they are secondary players on the global stage. The fate of the United States is in the hands of other peoples, in other nations, whose strategies of resistance to the Bush men's transparent grab for planetary hegemony will determine the general character of the Pirate's inevitable failure. Blacks, other threatened ethnicities, the poor, and political progressives of all backgrounds will have a difficult enough time keeping heads above water and bodies out of prison as the Bush men thrash about in a world they cannot master, and chickens come home to roost.
The United States is about to be redlined by the international community, and there is nothing that Americans, pro- or anti-war, can do about it.
The good news is, American life as we know it is about to come to an end. The bad news is... American life as we know it is about to come to an end.
The forces propelling the decline of American power and the necessary reorganization of U.S. society have been in motion for some time. The world in general has gotten much richer since the U.S. assumed its temporary position as guardian of capitalism and producer of 29 percent of world output, after World War II. (The glaring exception is Africa.) Now accounting for 21 percent of world output, and with no Soviet Union to keep the other capitalists cowering under a U.S. umbrella that was carefully crafted to further U.S. business interests, the American rulers face the prospect of head-on competition from their former allies and a developing world that demands full rights as planetary citizens.
Most importantly, the globalism that U.S. corporations envisioned as kind of net, ensnaring the earth in high-tech systems of trade and communications for the benefit of American capital, has had unintended consequences in the form of unexpected beneficiaries. Technology is even more portable than money, in the sense that people can lose money, but do not unlearn new methods of production, communication, organization, and thinking.
The Americans (and richer Europeans) also sought to encourage markets for their goods among First World-type sectors of the populations in developing countries - places like Brazil, where possibly 40 percent of the population live like Europeans, while the rest reside in descending layers of Third World deprivation. India, for example, has a U.S.-style consumer sector that will soon rival that of the U.S., although most of India's billion people live Third World existences.
The U.S. economy, already distorted by a military-industrial sector fueled by the demands of America's role as guardian of capitalism, became further deformed as U.S. corporations used the mighty U.S. machinery of state to create conditions in the developing world that allowed American industrial production and jobs to be exported. U.S. living standards began declining at roughly the same pace as offshore American industrial migration. Americans could no longer buy enough goods and services to keep the domestic economy humming. That part of American history has already slipped away. The great consumer credit bubble is its fragile legacy.
The national trade deficit is also grotesquely swollen. The U.S. buys $500 billion more from the world than it sells, each year.
[b]Hostile takeover[/b]
Something else was happening, as well, that would rearrange the seating at the banquets of the American rich. As the U.S. super-powered its way into everyone else's economies, stripping the American domestic manufacturing base of capital and downsizing the pockets of its own citizens, Big Finance won the final battle with Big Manufacturing. Politically, that meant the death of moderate Republicanism, based in Big Domestic Business, and the rise of the pure finance speculators, war profiteers (military industry) and their cousins, the oil extractors: The Pirate class.
These people have few direct connections to the American domestic economy, but owe everything to their control of the American state. They are, as [bc] has previously described them, not really capitalists, at all. For the Pirates, the U.S. is simply a platform, cash cow and military through which they can seize wealth by overwhelming advantage or, as in the case of Iraq, outright. But we are getting ahead of ourselves.
The American dollar's post-World War II dominance was natural - all of Europe was either defeated or in debt to the U.S., which emerged from the war economically stronger than ever. The dollar was the international currency. Therefore, everyone (outside of the Soviet bloc) had an interest in the dollar. The price of the world's most valued resource, oil, was pegged to (denominated in) dollars. And the U.S. could print as many dollars as it liked, paying national debts with currency that was, in a critical although not absolute sense, backed by all the oil deposits of the world. With this advantage, the U.S. looms over all other nations, hefting far more weight than is justified by its 21 percent share of world output, and indebted condition.
However, the Pirates found that they could not impose their will on the world, despite American advantages. The communications revolution that helped money movers achieve dominion over old-style capitalists also empowered the First World-like sectors of developing countries, which could now compete with New York and London over the same electronic infrastructures. These sectors gained increasing influence over their governments, previously clients of the U.S. or Europe, creating conditions for further growth and political expression. In Latin America, military dictatorships became untenable in the face of an aggressive civil society that yearned to break out of the constrictions of the generals and the Americans who sponsored them.
Throughout the developing world the period of U.S. corporate penetration saw the growth of mega-cities, as rural people were forced off the land or gravitated to low wage jobs that used to be performed at living wages in Ohio, New York and South Carolina. These huge concentrations of the poor radically altered the relationships of power in their countries. Their presence in the cities created demands that became important considerations in trade negotiations with the U.S. and other developed countries. The elite had to take the poor into account in confronting American power. They also wanted the freedom to act out their own ambitions.
Finally, Europe had taken a very different course than the U.S. in the postwar years. With Germany and France at the center, the European Union nurtured and protected its home economies while methodically creating the connective structures that would allow the EU to rival the continental-size United States. The euro currency represents a combined gross domestic product and population larger than the U.S. Europe dominates trade with the Middle East and other parts of the world.
The speculative "money movers" of the American Pirate class understand the ways of capital, if nothing else. It had become clear by the late Nineties that America's artificial advantages were in danger of collapsing, and with them, the sources of nonproductive Pirate wealth. Eventually, the euro would emerge as an alternative world currency, to which developing nations would flock when bullied by the United States. The Pirate's worst nightmare is that oil producing countries switch to the euro, unhitching oil prices from the dollar and causing the U.S. currency to fall to its natural, debt-burdened value.
[b]New American Century[/b]
The Dick Cheney-Paul Wolfowitz-Richard Perle Pirate cabal put forward a plan to pre-empt the nightmare scenario. It is not a conspiracy, but a very public and detailed plan for global American hegemony, the creation of a world in which the U.S. will hold all of its current advantages, and any others it chooses to create. The opening act in their battle against a world order that no longer serves Pirate purposes was the invasion of Iraq. No euro scare, there - as long as the occupation holds.
Much of the world (and all international commerce) is aware of the United States' intentions, a subject alien only to mass American audiences. An article from the Hindu Times, of India, shows the depth of thought that is being brought to bear on the subject:
In the last five or six years, an important change has taken place in the international oil scene. In the late 1990s, several large oil producers such as Iraq, Iran and Venezuela opened up development of their oil resources to foreign investment. Even Saudi Arabia invited bids for development of its natural gas. The contracts that Iraq signed with the French, Russian, Chinese and Italian firms were stalled, thanks to the sanctions regime. Iran, however, concluded deals with the French, Russian and Malaysian firms even as American firms - barred by U.S. sanctions against that country - gnashed their teeth. Venezuela's increasing assertiveness and consequent alienation from the U.S. did not bode well for the future of American firms there. The sanctions kept the American firms out of Libya and Sudan as well, and Chinese firms have been negotiating huge deals for Indonesian oil.
The United States roars like a divinely inspired conqueror, but the Pirates are essentially acting in defense of a U.S. primacy that cannot be maintained under the current rules of the game. They are brandishing American military power to destroy the game board - but nobody wrote the playbook for that move.
[b]Giving credit where none is due[/b]
And now to explain the title of this piece: Conspiracy Theories. First, we note that American Blacks and progressives have begun reading subtexts and plots into every horror of the Bush men's Iraq adventure. For example, that the Americans wanted Baghdad to burn. This is preposterous. The U.S military allowed Baghdad to descend into chaos because it doesn't give a damn about Iraqi lives, period. The Bush men would rather have had different pictures on the world's TV screens. They are inept in nearly every respect except the arts of their particular style of war, and in their mastery at manipulation of their fellow white Americans' delusional minds. They have not a clue as to how to occupy Iraq, for the simple reason that they are racists who cannot assess the motivations of Iraqis. This cognitive black hole - the mental disability associated with racism - swallows up and disappears facts that do not conform with the prefabricated version of reality on which the Pirate's plans are based.
The Pirates are particularly ill-suited for foreign intervention - aside from mass marketing to Americans, the social sciences escape them, leaving pure prejudice to dominate their discourse. The world they seek to tame exists in their heads. Crash courses do not help - they reject the advice of the CIA when it conflicts with their own prejudices and immediate objectives. They truly believe that what Iraqis (and Yemenis, Syrians, Iranians, etc.) really want in life is to move to Houston - a very convenient delusion since the Pirates plan to create something like Houston or Dallas in Iraq, at great profit.
Their racist arrogance is without bounds, and will foil them at every juncture. It is clear, for example, that they handled the secular, Europe-oriented Turkish military badly. Despite a $30 billion bribe offer, the U.S. failed to convince Turkey's generals to lean hard enough on the governing Islamic party to muster a bare parliamentary majority in favor of granting U.S. access to northern Iraq. The northern front was left to the Kurds, U.S. Special Forces, and the late arrival of portions of the 173rd Airborne Brigade. This unexpected reliance on the Kurds as the third force in the Anglo-American "coalition" will have profound effects on the occupiers' ability to control events in Kurdistan, where about half the oil is. Yet it is obvious from the English language Turkish press that the Turkish military, which reserves the right to intervene in civil government whenever it chooses and badly wants to maintain a presence in northern Iraq, could not abide the imperious Americans. U.S. ships and planes unloaded thousands of vehicles on Turkish soil without bothering to ask the permission of a NATO ally - just one of the most obvious slights to the honor of people the Americans consider not quite white.
Indeed, the modus operandi of the corporate pirates dishonors everyone they touch. Shamelessly, the Bush men rely on monetary rewards to corral foreign supporters, simultaneously attracting the most persuasive con men and brazen criminals. The stench of national betrayal fills the Pirate's vestibules. Their choice for occupation front man, Ahmed Chalabi, is a banker who left the country as a child in 1956 and found his way around the shadows of Middle East finance - a Third World, aspiring Pirate. Rumsfeld and Chalabi speak the same language, and have shaken hands on the deal. Chalabi's 700-man exile force are nothing more than mercenaries, unconnected with Iraqi civil society. Yet they are to be the nucleus of a new, national army, upon which the U.S. will rely to ease the burdens of occupation.
A quiet, cowed Iraq would quickly become unmanageable under such stewardship and circumstances, but the nation promises daily to be anything but quiet. The Pirates are stuck in their oil field of dreams, a most flammable environment.
We could predict with confidence a series of general developments that must flow from Iraqi conditions - all of them disastrous to the Pirate's delusional schemes. In fact, there is no set of plausible circumstances that would lead to a compliant Iraq secured by a politically acceptable level of American troops.
What is certain is that the Pirates will misjudge their surroundings at virtually every turn (as with the chaos in Baghdad), then compound the mistake in insane, unexpected, or woefully stupid ways (the failure to post troops even after the museum was looted and the world cried out.) To follow the logic of delusionals, one must attempt to "see" what they "see" - a maddening but necessary exercise.
The alternative is to read method into madness, a self-defeating syndrome that afflicts African Americans and leftists with great frequency and debilitating results. It is the back door to self-deception, interpreting every horrific result of the enemy's actions as purposeful, rather than as possible evidence of the antagonist's weaknesses. The enemy is perceived as always in control of events, larger than life, devilishly masterful. In the end, it is accepted that he is unbeatable - and he wins for lack of opposition, despite his many shortcomings and mistakes.
[b]"What are the white folks gonna do?"[/b]
A broad example from the civil rights movement: Rigid segregation made white people's actions seem, through African American eyes, to be coordinated, centrally controlled, as if determined by overt agreements among the whites. "What are the white folks gonna do?" was a simple question, seriously asked. Optimists, especially the most hopeful integrationists, believed that some agreement could be reached with powerful whites that would have general effects on white conduct. Another camp among Blacks believed (and still do) that "white folks" conspire constantly and in detail on ways to frustrate and befuddle African Americans. This solid white block acts as one, impermeable organism. No wedge can alter its implacable structures of hostility.
Both of these (exaggerated) outlooks are actually conspiracy theories, or conspiracy paradigms. Both begin with assumptions that cloud objectivity, rendering the activist incapable of assessing her antagonist and fashioning effective strategies and contingencies. Opportunities are lost, unexpected and unobserved. Victories are misinterpreted, over- or under-valued.
What the civil rights movement actually discovered was that there was no White Folks Central Command, that different sectors of white society would yield to different pressures in different ways, resulting in the creation of greater social space for Black Americans, North and South.
Then the movement foundered on the real rock of institutional racism, the deeply embedded, shared worldview of whites toward Blacks that causes whites to behave in amazingly similar, generally predictable ways, to the detriment of African Americans. Institutional racism requires no agreement or conscious conspiracy among whites to work its social pathologies in housing, criminal justice, etc. It may look like and coexist with actual, transient conspiracies, but is much more intractable.
Many integrationist optimists despaired when the reality of institutional racism wrecked their rational models of civilized negotiation and good faith understandings. It is very difficult to forge agreements between people who perceive different realities.
To those Blacks who believed from the beginning that "white folks" constantly conspired against Blacks, institutional racism seemed to confirm their conspiracy theory - an erroneous conclusion.
As it stands, we have developed precious little collective experience in combating or understanding institutional racism. (If it were not so, would not have to constantly hammer away at the "delusions" that govern American political behavior.)
[b]Masking weakness[/b]
Conspiracy theory masks a fundamental weakness in the Pirate's offensive against world order: their inability to see the world as it is. (Colin Powell is superior to his fellow Bush men in this regard largely because he is a well-socialized Black man who does not share their full measure of delusions. Rather, Powell is a mercenary opportunist who strives to finesse the game as best he can, yet is devoted to the hegemonic mission.) It is wrong to assume that the Pirates' shifting objectives and improvisations are clever maneuvers scripted in advance or, as they will always claim, routine choices from a range of contingencies.
We have already mentioned Baghdad's descent into chaos - a U.S.-inflicted outrage that revealed the American military's moral and material weaknesses and evoked worldwide revulsion at the invader, which cannot help but stiffen international resolve to resist the Pirates. If, to argue the point, there are elements among the Pirates and the military who believe that Baghdad's burning will serve the purposes of the United States, paralyzing potential adversaries in terror, then they are wrong, and will commit further grave errors in the future, hastening the unraveling of the offensive.
If the U.S. strikes against Syria in the near future, it will be a sign of weakness, not strength. There is no objective reason, military or political, for the U.S. to do anything but attempt to consolidate its position within Iraq. However, the Pirates are as likely as not to commit the blunder, driven by the momentum of their own rhetoric or, in the event of serious disruptions of their Iraqi operations, in an effort to demonstrate that they retain the initiative in shaping events in the region. The Bush men see themselves as waging psychological warfare on a world scale. In this, they are singularly incompetent, understanding only minds from their own culture. An early Syrian gambit brings them closer to the point at which they will exhaust their combined force options, and must give up the offensive or strike punitively with air power and special ops raids to little military purpose - no way to construct new relationships that must ultimately result in advantageous commercial arrangements.
[b]Conspiracy of resistance[/b]
Conspiracies will abound in the world, however - directed against the United States. Far from exhibiting devilish cleverness, the Pirates have launched an incredibly stupid war-against-all, telegraphing every move and undermining the stability of the few allies that might be useful to their project. They have totally misjudged or discounted the effects of public opinion on the foreign elites whom they hope to co-opt as subsidiaries to the New American Century. We believe the Bush men cannot conceive of political parties outside of the American model (an absence of parties), do not harbor actual feelings of belonging to a nation (their sense of nation is a set of ambitions and conceits) and therefore cannot perceive such feelings in others, and are contemptuous of all forms of power other than those in which they are superior. They are quite limited men who have reached too far.
The Pirates have served redundant notices on the world that they are intent on disrupting everyone's way of life, from the Swiss banker to the Indonesian imam. They have given the international community no option other than variations on the post-September 11 " either for us or against us" theme. It is now too late to rephrase the message, even if the Pirates wanted to.
The U.S. has placed a gun to the world's head, insisting it is crazy enough to pull the trigger. Sober people take the threat seriously - conspiracies are appropriate responses. Noisy boycotts of American products serve to vent public displeasure, but a methodical determination to avoid entanglements with gangsters is best effected in innocuous meetings to which the gangsters are not invited. Boycotts need not be announced. Sales not initiated, deals not cut, trips not made, investments quietly rejected, agreements sidelined, initiatives reconsidered - this will be the response of the global matrix that the Bush men foolishly seek to coerce with high-tech weapons and racist bombast.
Only a fool would not assume that last weekend's St. Petersburg summit of Germany, France and Russia was not consumed with the nuts and bolts of erecting defenses against American geopolitical aggression. And only foolish heads of state would admit it. Every actor in each emerging or mature economy is compelled to pursue alternatives to doing business with America, the rogue state that recognizes no rules but its own declarations. China has surpassed Japan as the country with which the U.S. has the largest trade deficit and remains a command system, able to move as a body to favor or disfavor the United States if her political will is tested.
The redlining of the U.S. has begun. Like the banker who smiles broadly as he denies that such a thing as redlining exists, then offers his card and his sincerest Good Luck, the world can simply pretend that nothing hostile to U.S. interests is occurring. The effect will be as devastating as redlining the ghetto, a place that is depressed because nothing good happens there.
As we discussed at the beginning of this piece, the U.S. position among nations has long been buttressed by artificial advantages. When these advantages were threatened, a Pirate class schemed to gut the world system in order to secure absolute advantage. But even the world's mightiest military cannot coerce trade and collaboration from an unwilling planet. As the world recoils from its grasping embrace, the U.S. will shrink.
The process will be punctuated with a great deal of drama. It is possible that the world will not survive the convulsions of mayhem precipitated by the would-be hegemon - but that has been a possibility for the past half century or so. Certainly, many millions will perish less dramatically. TransAfrica Forum executive director Bill Fletcher said:
The possibility of real economic recovery in the United States becomes nil. It is difficult to imagine that a wounded, mostly delusional America will not resort to massive scapegoating of minorities, especially the Permanent Enemy, Black America. Someone will have to pay for the political choices of the pro-war supermajority. These will be interesting times.
But there will no longer be a material basis for rule of the Pirates, at least in their present, virulent form.
And, "the arc of history bends toward justice." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Hmm, the face one I had for jsut a second, I was testing. You'll see. My real new avatar is the girl in the cup.
But no, see, that's the thing, I'm NOT a conspiracy theorist, it's just a lot of the ideas I subscribe to get pinned as such. This guy is trying to show where the conspiracy theories take the ideas that myself and the author have and just run with them, and give our ideas a bad name...
i see...i just assumed that you were, since it was entitled conspiracy theories.. but thats just my automatic inference, i see that you never really say that n stuff..
i see what you are saying about people labeling the ideas as conspiracy, when really its the elaboration by others that is more conspiracy-like. and most people are rather weary of conspiracy theories, so that would give them a bad name, and thats unfortunate.
yeah, the face avatar was the disturbing avatar..this one is okay...creative idea albeit scary, just not as much as the other...i think the other one was just disturbing as it was unclear what was really going on.
[COLOR=Red] with a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever. always thinking that just behind some narrow door in all of his favorite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.[/COLOR]
Where is this disturbing face avatar? I wanna see it. Although Dita is nice. I agree with you a hundred percent, disx. Many of my ideas get pinned as conspiracy theory as well. And the opinion angelanicole expressed on conspiracy theories, make it real easy for anyone to laugh off any idea that goes against the mass thought. I've brought up so many ideas to people that aren't that far-fetched or out there and they laugh saying, "that's just a silly conspiracy theory." As if I am to be laughed at for having such ridiculous thoughts, but by considering alternate view-points silly conspiracy theories to be laughed at without the slightest consideration of the ideas expressed, these people are easily being told what is true without question. No side such be passed off so easily. In the search for truth one should always consider all sides and consume as much information as possible.
"In the search for truth one should always consider all sides and consume as much information as possible."
Absolutely. That's why I even listen to ill Rich, you never know where you might find some little nugget of truth. And hey, it paid off, in that one thread of mine (Cynicism, I think) he actually said something worthwhile. 
You'll see the face as soon as Wes gets his ass on AIM. 
I see the disturbing face!!! Sonck got his masturbating Naomi Watts avatar, excellent. This works well cause the DVD doesn't have chapter stops, so its such a pain when I have to forward through the whole movie to that scene just so I can jerk o--I mean...that's a good scene...I like to watch it sometimes cause, you know, it's filmed all nice and stuff...yeah, that's what I mean.
Anyway excellent avatar Sonck. Good work disx. And it's funny, that face is kinda disturbing. It reminds me of a time when--wait, I'll put this elsewhere, I don't want to get off topic.
disx, those stories brought a warm fuzzy feeling to my heart.
Thankyou 
I dont have time to read the article now but a great book is "You are being Lied To" It is not a book of conspiracy theories per se rather a collection of essays on lies from the media and how they have distorted our perceptions. Such as the IRA is not any worse then England loyalists are, a few years of Martin Luther King Jr's life have been almost erased from history, and hackers are not all that they are made out to be.
There's this group of people that set up tables and stuff on my campus sometimes. I can't tell if they're protesting the Illuminati or if they are the Illuminati, but it's really some great stuff. Everything, and I do mean everything, is a conspiracy. One of my favorites is that the exhaust of a plane's jetstream isn't really exhaust but a chemical that the politicians put in the gas that allows the population to be brain washed earlier. Crazy ass shit, man.
Yeah, chemtrails, heh. Never really read about that, but it sounds great. See, I'm trying to disassociate myself from said people.
Chemtrails are used to contol the weather. Duh...
There will be Conspiracy Theories as long as people will not confront their true struggles.
The Enemey Without can be beaten, demonized, and overtaken.
The Enemey Within is much harder to face.
ill, your use of the passive voice is impressive but hardly convincing. how do you suggest we demonize the enemy without? and is the enemy without everyone and everything? including the hermit?
The Enemy Without is not everyone. The Enemy Without is a threat that is not of you, your nation, your race, etc.
Take the Black Nationalist for example.
They demonize whites and asians (The Enemy Without) for their own personal gain and to alleviate their failures.
However, they do not confront The Enemy Within (such as education, drug use, promescuity, etc.) as part of a real problem.
you know you can observe a whole lot just by watching, but aren't education, drugs, sexual promiscuity, etc. social issues and therefore without? please clarify and try not to use the passive voice. it's irritating and distracts one from discerning the simple truths you profess. thank you.
Again, let me use the Black Nationalist.
The Black Nationalist seperates things into two groups: Black and Non-Black.
Those social issues take place in the Black group and therefore are The Enemy Within.
you still can't stop using the passive voice.
there's passive voice and active voice.
active is more succint and direct.
try agin.
Yeah, Fram said what I was gonna... Those social issues are there [i]because[/i] of 'non-blacks'. Sure, blacks ought to assert themselves in a peaceful manner and try to alleviate this, but there [i]is[/i] some (a lot of) fault with the non-black community, too.
However, you are condemning the black nationalist for drawing up arbitrary groups and pitting them against each other. That's good, but then why do you insist on using your own arbitrary groups (nations) and pitting them against each other? Wouldn't you agree that the survival of the human species is the most important goal, and that national strife only serves to hamper that goal and keep us on this doomed little rock?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Those social issues are there [i]because[/i] of 'non-blacks'.[/B][/QUOTE]
Not at all. I've yet to see a black boycott on drugs, guns, or a social reformation to condem promescuity.
Instead we have rap music glorifying all of that targeted at the black community. What does that equal? The highest rate of drug use, illegal weapon possesion, and 2/3 of all black babies are born out of wedlock.
That is an issue created by The Enemy Within.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]That's good, but then why do you insist on using your own arbitrary groups (nations) and pitting them against each other? [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't wish for nations to go to war with each other. But when one threatens the survival of the human species; there must be war. Hopefully, the nation to develop Satellite Weapons first will be able to seize the planet and end these groups of seperate nations - be it the Americans or Chinese.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Wouldn't you agree that the survival of the human species is the most important goal, and that national strife only serves to hamper that goal and keep us on this doomed little rock? [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed, but it will [i]always[/i] happen.
"Not at all. I've yet to see a black boycott on drugs, guns, or a social reformation to condem promescuity."
So what? Not boycotting something does not CREATE the problem, it simply allows it to continue existing. WE created the initial problem. They just haven't done enough to get out of that situation. Thus, fault lies on both sides.
"I don't wish for nations to go to war with each other. But when one threatens the survival of the human species; there must be war. Hopefully, the nation to develop Satellite Weapons first will be able to seize the planet and end these groups of seperate nations - be it the Americans or Chinese."
Haha, Saddam Hussein threatened the survival of the species? What a joke. You sir, are terribly deluded, when it comes to Mr Hussein.
"Agreed, but it will always happen."
Doesn't mean you can't make an effort to stop it or limit it as much as possible.
Also - 1 world government = BAD FRICKIN IDEA. Holy crap, we do not need that. It will NOT = peace. There will still be -plenty- of war, just different types of war. (See: Terrorism, etc.)
Having different nations is good, in that it gives a sense of identity and individuality. It also alllows for diversity - and if one nation goes bad, the others can put it back in line. You don't exactly have this with 1 world government. We just need to collectively 'grow up' and learn to get along with each other and share our toys, lest a big rock drop in and ruin all our fun.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]WE created the initial problem. [/B][/QUOTE]
Explain how you and I created a problem. Everyone can get out of every situation, it's just that those with harder channels usually complain.
Bill Clinton was a poor boy in Arkansas with a drunk father who he threw out when he was a young teenager.
He became the most powerful man in the world.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Saddam Hussein threatened the survival of the species?[/B][/QUOTE]
No. Read my next post you quoted. GREED, LUST, VENGANCE, and PRIDE WILL ALWAYS EXIST.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Having different nations is good, in that it gives a sense of identity and individuality.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, and that leads to racism, nationalism, sexism, and pride.
" Explain how you and I created a problem. Everyone can get out of every situation, it's just that those with harder channels usually complain.
Bill Clinton was a poor boy in Arkansas with a drunk father who he threw out when he was a young teenager.
He became the most powerful man in the world."
Explain how the black people of today created the problem. I agreed that white people of today did not create the situation, but "whitey", in the past, DID create the problem.
That problem still exists.
Sure, the white people of today can't be blamed for creating it, but they can be blamed for not helping their fellow man, and furthering prejudice. Just like the blacks can be blamed for not getting out of their position and creating their own prejudices. I fully agree that their is plenty of blame on the black's part, but they did not create the situation. As I said, there is blame on both sides. Nobody of today created the situation, but both sides are contributing to it.
"GREED, LUST, VENGANCE, and PRIDE WILL ALWAYS EXIST."
Wow. So you've finally agreed that the Iraq War was total bullshit? Cos you just answered "No" to Saddam being a threat. And then said the above as a response. So, erm, you're saying that we invaded cos of those reasons? That's what I've been saying all along. Glad you finally agree. =D
"Yes, and that leads to racism, nationalism, sexism, and pride."
And how, exactly, does a world government solve any of those?
The only thing you listed that is even -remotely- connected to having that is nationalism, the rest are absolutely and ridiculously unconnected. I mean, where the hell did you pull that from? A single world government and now all of a sudden men and women aren't competing? Sir - What. The. Fuck. Are you smoking? Snorting? Shooting? Serious. That was the most absurd line of thought I've ever seen.
Anyhow, you'd still have nationalism cos you'd have people that were ultra-proud of the single nation and then the people that hate it and wish to rebel, which would lead to various civil wars and rebellions and such.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]I agreed that white people of today did not create the situation, but "whitey", in the past, DID create the problem.
[/B][/QUOTE]
The problem stems from The Stagnation of Ancient Africa.
While the Africans were sitting in trees drinking coconut water, practicing in poligamy, living in their utopia - Asia and Europe were waring.
Europe and Asia advanced, Africa did not.
The lack of an African national defence was what led to Africa being taken over, subsequently enslaved by strangers, and still at the bottom of today's caste system.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]So you've finally agreed that the Iraq War was total bullshit?
[/B][/QUOTE]
Pride, greed, lust, and vengance are not "bullshit".
Iraq threatened America.
America took Iraq out.
End of story.
"Pride, greed, lust, and vengance are not "bullshit".
Iraq threatened America.
America took Iraq out.
End of story."
You just said he wasn't a threat to survival. So you must mean threat to our pride? And I'm sorry, but pride is bullshit. If you think otherwise... Pfft, well, no wonder. You're such a fucking twit, I don't see how you can claim to be this humanist and everything, and have some overall okay viewpoints, but then be like "omg invading a country cos they wounded our pride is okey dokey". It's just stupid, barbaric and totally uncivilized, something you claim to be against. You're sucha hypocrite, it's sickening.
And the Africa thing, okay, so that's true to an extent, but my knowledge of African history is poor. Something tells me it's just a tad less simple than you put it. However, I do know that a lot of fellow Africans sold out other tribes into slavery.. But okay, if you want to just say they were inept from the start and that they're simply an inferior race, I won't interfere. You've got some points that I've thought myself before, but I don't know, I think it's kind of silly. You bitch about people being "The Ignorant" and placing blame on others, well, you're placing the blame on them - so you're a hypocrite. Let's just forget who's at fault and work together to solve the problems of our country, right? Who cares if blacks aren't the same race as us, they're our counrymen, so fuck, let's work together on this, no? But I forgot, they're inferior so they deserve it. So what, now in addition to being a nationalist, you're a racist, too? Congratulations, sir. Maybe the claims from when you first arrived of being a nazi weren't so far off, after all, eh?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]And I'm sorry, but pride is bullshit.[/B][/QUOTE]
How could it be when it is one of the most influential emotions throughout the history of humanity? Pride is an extreme motivator.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]But okay, if you want to just say they were inept from the start and that they're simply an inferior race, I won't interfere. [/B][/QUOTE]
It is not racial, it is cultural.
The black Jamicans have always remained independent, as did the Ethiopians.
The majority of sub-Saharan Africa failed because they were stagnant.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]You bitch about people being "The Ignorant" and placing blame on others, well, you're placing the blame on them [/B][/QUOTE]
The Ignorant places the blame on someone when the negative effect happens to them.
I'm not a decendant of an African so nothing bad has happened to me because of the fall of Africa. I'm simply an Observer.
Look at European, Asian, and Arab history. Can African history even compare?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Let's just forget who's at fault and work together to solve the problems of our country, right? [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed, but as I said - The Black Nationalist, or for that matter The White Nationalist has no intrest in it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]But I forgot, they're inferior so they deserve it.[/B][/QUOTE]
I never said they were inferior. I said Ancient Africans were stagnant, thus Europe, Asia, and Arabia was willing and able to come in an dominate at will. Not because of superiority, but because they have always been at war while Africa was living in a Utopian society. In this Utopian society, who needs a military?
So what if it's a big motivator? That's bullshit, it shouldn't be. It's childish and ridiculous.
Okay so the nationalists suck, but you're not helping, you're just 'observing' and sitting back and letting the nationalists tear everything apart.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]So what if it's a big motivator? That's bullshit, it shouldn't be. It's childish and ridiculous.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's not childish at all. A child has no pride, they must be conditioned to have pride, lust, greed, and vengance.
Those are the four most influental motivations in the world.
YOU are guilty of all of them yourself!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Okay so the nationalists suck, but you're not helping, you're just 'observing' and sitting back and letting the nationalists tear everything apart.[/B][/QUOTE]
Apparently, that's what I was ment to do.
[i]Follow thine heart.[/i]
I'm sure I am at times, but I try not to be. Nobody's perfect, and I'm gonna do my best to avoid things I feel are not beneficial. Like pride, it's ridiculous. We're all insignificant little shits, what's the point in having pride? It's just thinking we're something we're not, so I try to avoid it - and having a fucking war over it - is absurd.
Children have to be conditioned to have those attributes? Not so sure about that, why do little kids get into fights over sharing toys? Seems more like they have to be taught how to share, more than anything.
LOL, follow thine heart? Oh my fucking god. WAKE UP. You are a part of this race, you are a part of society - sitting there watching things is just a fucking cop out. You think things are impossible to change so you've given up and resort to watching and bitching at people for not thinking exactly like you do. You're a fucking waste.
i think ill rich and disx are related in a very personal way.
Oh really... Well, some of are views are similar. The whole 'you can't change anything' - difference is - I'm willing to try anyway, even if it is futile, I'd like to know I tried - Richie, on the other hand, has already given up.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]We're all insignificant little shits, what's the point in having pride?[/B][/QUOTE]
If everyone's insignificant, what's the big deal about war? Muder? Rape? Violence?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Not so sure about that, why do little kids get into fights over sharing toys?[/B][/QUOTE]
Toys are limited. Sharing is easy, when it is plentiful.
1 toy and 6 children. Only one of the children can play with it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]You are a part of this race, you are a part of society [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. But I am not The Observations. The Observations aren't a part of society.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]You think things are impossible to change so you've given up and resort to watching and bitching at people for not thinking exactly like you do.[/B][/QUOTE]
Things are possible to change, but the world must be ruled with an Iron Fist.
The ruler of the world must be a slave.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]You're a fucking waste.[/B][/QUOTE]
According to you, everyone is.
Well, it really isn't a big deal. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to avoid it. And if got taken far enough, it could become a big deal (see: threaten the survival of the species). I know that's unlikely, but it could happen, especially with the kind of technology we have today.
And so maybe the species dying out isn't important either, but it's all we've got to live for, so why just let it happen? There's a difference between surviving and pride, you know.
Most things in life are limited, so what's your point? We have to be taught to share, we horde stuff to ourselves on instict, or so it would seem.
If all you're doing is observing, then you're just trying to distance yourself from society and free yourself of the responsibility of surviving and continuing the race. So maybe tyranny would be required for change, but who's to say that would really change anything anyhow? Nobody knows exactly what will do what, so why not try for something better? Okay, so maybe we're all wastes, but it doesn't mean we should just give up and die. It's the only thing we know how to do - survive. So we might as well keep at it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Well, it really isn't a big deal. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to avoid it. And if got taken far enough, it could become a big deal (see: threaten the survival of the species). [/B][/QUOTE]
If we're all insignificant, then the species is insignificant, and the survival of the species is insignificant!
You hold two opposing opinions.
You think we're all insignificant but at the same time think every human life has value! Which one is it?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Most things in life are limited, so what's your point?[/B][/QUOTE]
Liberals rule in a lush forrest.
Conservatives rule in a barren desert.
There is no time to be liberal, not yet.
I already said that myself. Thanks for trying, though.
Do I really? Ghee, maybe that's why I put up that quote before, that said EXACTLY THAT.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, you're saying things I've already said, sir.
Liberals try to look out for the species.
Conservatives look out for themselves.
There is no time to be a conservative, ever.
I, for one, believe in so-called "conspiracy theories", if you wanna call 'em that as most are true. Call me crazy, call me a pervert, but if there's one thing I know, it's this... we're all getting fucked by somebody... somewhere... somehow. If it isn't big business then it's government, which in reality coexist as one in the same. If it's not your best friend, it's your neighbor... selfishness and promiscuous longevity prevail. Point being, if you look around yourself and know you're not the rat, then someone's gotta be. There is no purity in socioeconomics. There is no freedom in governmental bylaws. There is no such thing as free. We all pay for it in the end. More often than not the knowledgable get painted in an eccentric light by the naive. This is true in all walks of life. You wanna believe there's no man behind the curtain, then you stay in Kansas with Toto. When you stop questioning, you may as well not even exist. That's where complacency thrives, amongst mediocre thought. Stagnation and deterioration are right around the corner, dig?
The mind is the limit. I am going to be the best personal trainer to ever exist on this earth. I am going to inspire, motivate, and change lives. I have that power. There is not a doubt in my mind that I can make you have an orgasm just from the power of my mind via the internet. I'm a giver like that. I can heal you. I can make you whole. That's Brock. That's what I do. Moving on...
Very nice. You sticking around this time? I'd like to see what else you have to say, cos I really liked that.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by disx [/i]
[B]Liberals try to look out for the species.
Conservatives look out for themselves.
There is no time to be a conservative, ever.[/B][/QUOTE]
Liberals look out for NO ONE.
Pride, vengance, lust, and greed are creations of the liberal!
Conservatism is ruled by the brain. Intellegent decisions, weather they be cold hearted or not.
LOL
Oh my gosh... Liberals CREATED Pride, Vengeance, Lust & Greed. They concocted them all, in a secret laboratory.... Hahaha, oh my fucking god.... Keep it coming, you're fucking gold.
[url=http://911-strike.com/debunking.htm]Debunking the REAL conspiracy theory.[/url]
Debunking conspiracy theorists' paranoid fantasies about Sept. 11
by Gerard Holmgren [email]debunker@hotmail.com[/email]
Copyright Gerard Holmgren. Jan 2003.
This work may be freely copied and distributed without permission as long as it not for commercial use. Please include the author's name, the web address where you found it and the copyright notice.
Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one ,often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix" " The Pope had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone" etc,etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.
So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.
One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms."
Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.
Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.
These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush
regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours ,crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.
The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.
It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog , they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as "the fruit loop" and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (ill)logical conclusions.
According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over the 4 planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns,knives,box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.
The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID ( but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.
"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"
"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."
"Very strange", thinks the security officer. "That's the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask. And why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."
Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time ,the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.They will allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!" they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.
Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "Who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again. "Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?"
"You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so on...
Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion , the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.
"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? " The answer of course is that its just one of those strange co-incidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen...
This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The "improbability drive" , in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens (just about all the time in their world). There is a principle called "Occam's razor" which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.
Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with the silly story of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.
Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas (after they had attached their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.
So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of "our freedoms" , it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.
It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist , too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.
Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.
Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.
There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically kerosine,and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourizing 65 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around 15 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of kerosine - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vapourize a plane. And then there's about 50 tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of kerosine.
For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as "mumbo jumbo". This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of kerosine, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourized into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.
"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact." they state with pompous certainty. "Watch any Bruce Willis movie."
"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies ?"
At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.
"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no way of telling." they counter with a sly grin.
Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourized into nothing.
"But not big planes, with that much fuel ", they shriek in hysterical denial.
Or that much metal to vapourize.
"Yes but not hijacked planes!"
"Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?"
"Now you're just being silly".
Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground,or have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourize into nothing. What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. "Its a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact."
Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves ( if not too many other people) that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourization of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit. loop...
But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of kerosine. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning kerosine.
For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose kerosine which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000C for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosine is enough to
:completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft
:have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel ( melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel )
:still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building.
This kerosine really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those kerosine heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourized. And never again will I take kerosine lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourized into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.
These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning kerosine melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the smoke coming from the WTC was black, which indicates an oxygen starved fire -therefore, not particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.
Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.
Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-defined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?
The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.
Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.
"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"
"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the street, except for my passport."
"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."
Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.
The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat. (Although 2000 C isn't really required, 100C will generally do the job.) This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.
That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.
You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.
So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.
This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through three rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.
But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well ? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.
Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned.They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourized by it's exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. (That's a wonderful fruit loop.) Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 ft deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no sign of such damage). As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.
When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly, (ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an "irrecoverable angle." How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.
Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.
As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.
At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in "retaliation" are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.
Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.
Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11.
next time disx could we have the executive summary. my head hurts after reading all that.
The butler did it.
lol. if i ever have a butler he's going to be called franklin. even if it isn't his name, i am going to call him franklin.
Maybe you could get a dog and name him Franklin instead of demeaning your domestic servants.
btw why "Franklin"
the dogs' names are tabac and ganache
franklin is not a demeaning name. i like the name franklin. that's his last name, btw.
me: franklin, have we had any calls today?
franklin: no, my lord.
me: would you please let me know if anyone calls round.
franklin: very good, my lord.
franklin: *polite cough* excuse me, my lord, mr. sonck is waiting for you in the billiards room.
me: excellent. please tell him i'll be there in a minute. and, franklin,
franklin: yes, my lord.
me: would you please bring us two rather large tumblers of whiskey.
franklin: of course, my lord. with pleasure.
see. i think this kind of master and servant relationship is quite cool. btw, a butler is not a servant, he is a master of servants. a second pair of brains, if you will. btw, were i to actually hire a manservant, he would be compensated rather handsomely.
The name is not demeaning. I was refering to calling your butler by a name of your own choosing rather than his given name.
For tax purposes, can we agree your manservant is a domestic servant?
well, he would agree to be called franklin. in fact, he'd probably get paid extra for allowing me the eccentricity. of course, if he actually had a problem with it, i suppose i could live with his given surname.
also, in england they're manservants. i am a self-confessed anglophile. i mean, i'm hiring a butler not a matron.
conspiracy theories.. i dont know.. there are some that can be and are likely true, but some are so outlandish [i.e. all politicians are descendants of reptiles] they beg to be lauged at.. but i admit to enjoying reading a conspiracy theory here and there, though, and being reasonably entertained. if you are a conspiracy theorist, i am sure you would enjoy david icke..
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p.s. am kind of disturbed by new avatar.... [runs away]
[COLOR=Red] with a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever. always thinking that just behind some narrow door in all of his favorite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.[/COLOR]