Big Brother

big brother is a term used in america that refers to the U.S.'s spying on american through wiretaps and monitoring internet useage installing back-door software into ISPs. basically "Big Brother" just means "government sying on it's own country"

ampler=moron

what, bane? you presume that people living outside the US know every single fucking local term?

good luck on being narrow minded. so far you've been doing pretty well.

thanks, trypdwyre.

what is this narrowmindedness you talk of

my mind is not narrow its actually pretty wide

WOW REALLY!

i still dont get this norrowmindedness thing amplar talks about

oh an amplar im not from america

im from "assholeia"

Long live George Orwell. I realise I'm a bit late with that, but you can't have everything...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bane [/i]
[B]im from "assholeia" [/B][/QUOTE]

You too!

Where about in assholeia you from?

id also like to add those fomo's at Big Brother are the most-arse-holiest clients ever. fukn goons.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bane [/i]
[B]what is this narrowmindedness you talk of

my mind is not narrow its actually pretty wide [/B][/QUOTE]

it's superficial to call someone you don't know the first thing about a moron. i'm absolutely sure that there are some things still left in the universe that you are not aware of, haven't heard of or read about.

i have zero desire or interest to start battling someone, especially someone in the cult, because of something so insignificant and stupid.

but do what you want, man. i understand that you need to prove yourself somehow. just don't come to me with that pointless bullshit.

and ampler

big brother is not a phrase from america

its from england

They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and, above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be transformed into war fever and leader worship. With its grace and carelessness it seemed to annihilate a whole culture, a whole system of thought, as though Big Brother and the Party and the Thought Police could all be swept into nothingness by a single splendid movement of the arm. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. It was the product of a mind similar to his own, but enormously more powerful, more systematic, less fear-ridden. The best books, he perceived, are those that tell you what you know already. For the first time he perceived that if you want to keep a secret you must also hide it from yourself. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother... The past was dead, the future was unimaginable... [from Orwell's 1984]

Petty [i]and[/i] smug. You must be a big hit with the ladies.

I don't think Orwell was saying that 1984 was going to happen, or even that it could happen. It was exaggeration to demonstrate a point.

Over here it's a reality TV show that appears every summer (since 2000) and features a bunch of boneheads who live in a summer house for 30 days talking about anything in general. In the 2001 edition they picked an abnoctious gay guy amongst the group. If your voted big brother in the end, you win 1,000,000 pounds. Even if you don't win, you end up in glamour magazines for no reason whatsoever. On digital satelite TV, you can watch it LIVE! 24/7, unadultrated. It's so sad.

Garry Gliter (come into my ginger bread...house)

read 1984

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Framer94 [/i]
[B]Over here it's a reality TV show that appears every summer (since 2000) and features a bunch of boneheads who live in a summer house for 30 days talking about anything in general. In the 2001 edition they picked an abnoctious gay guy amongst the group. If your voted big brother in the end, you win 1,000,000 pounds. Even if you don't win, you end up in glamour magazines for no reason whatsoever. On digital satelite TV, you can watch it LIVE! 24/7, unadultrated. It's so sad.

Garry Gliter (come into my ginger bread...house) [/B][/QUOTE]
Do realize that America, and most "major" countrys(sp), have numours(sp) shows JUST like that. We are addicted to them. Personly, I'm not, I think they are stupid, but, oh well.

And I think 1984 sucks ass. I mean, it's a great story, and wonderfully told, but the message is what bothers me. It's all about how communism will ruin the world. I'm serious. Eric Blair (George Orwell's real name) even said so in an interveiw. He wrote another book, I don't remember what it's called, but it's more obvious about it's message.

Yeah, but Orwell's point was that the current "popular" form of communism was all wrong. It never really gives an example of what he suggests is good communism, but if you read Animal Farm (kind of a prequel, IMO, to 1984 only with animals), you get a brief idea about what he thinks would be better. Until, that is, the bad pigs drive the good pig out the door.

Yeah! That's it! Animal Farm! That's the book I was talking about. And Blair was a socalist. I just thought that might help.

he wasnt talking about communism he was talking about facism

What? He(Eric Blair, A.K.A. George Orwell) even said that 1984 was ALL about communsim.

That's the problem with these dystopian novels you read in school. Whether they're geared at one system or another is irrelevant, your teachers (most likely) will just tell you all about how this is aimed at fascism or communism and how there's no way it could happen here because we read about it so we are enlightened and it won't ever work here. Heh. Funny, really.

I'm not reading it for school. My dad said it was a good book, and I was looking for something to read. I know about the interveiw because I like to learn about the authors I am reading.

Yeah, and I see what you're saying, I was just pointing out how they use those kind of books in schools...

I understand. I have always had a problem with that too.

BANE YOU ARE SOEM STUPID KIND OF MONKI BOI YOU KNOW TAHT MAN

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XChuck [/i]
[B]It's all about how communism will ruin the world.[/B][/QUOTE]

Someone dissed communism! NOOOOOOO!

But seriously, don't you think that's a bit of an oversimplification?

Hey, it's what the author said. And I don't care about "dissing" communism, it's just that Blair is so closed minded.

OK. let's inject a little rationality into the mix, shall we?

"1984" is clearly about fascism. if you want to read orwell's condemnation of the communist system, read animal farm-- it's based on the stalinist movement and stalin's execution of trotsky. consult any cliffs notes on either of these books if you don't believe me. thanks.

thank you insomniomaniac

not a problem. like ill Rich, i'm here to help you help yourselves. lol.

lol

good one

thanks, i do what i can.

I saw the fascism as a result of this bad form of communism. It's nearly the same heirarchy that's seen in Animal Farm. And isn't everything done for the good of the nation in 1984 (it's been a year or two since I read this, so correct me if I'm wrong)? Or at least for the good of Big Brother, who in turn watches out for all the little folk. No pun intended there. I dunno. 1984 just seemed like an extension, a sequel to Animal Farm, only they substituted the people and Big Brother for the farm animals and Napoleon (or whatever that damn pigs name was). Anyway, I'm pretty sure both of them were denouncing the kind of communism that Orwell was opposed to.

i think you're putting any repressive regime under the blanket of fascism. they're not one and the same thing in terms of rhetoric.

Ok, let's transport ourselves to the time before 1984, what was it like 1945 when the "Big Brother" gov't was first implemented? Didn't it start off as a communist-like government and was then eventually manipulated enough to where it had become a fascist state without the citizens noticing? I swear there was a small bit in 1984 that stated the beginnings of their society and it was basically a 10 page version of Animal Farm without the pigs. That's all I'm really trying to say. That Orwell was against the "popular" form of communism because it could so easily be manipulated by government officials to become like his stories.

to answer your questions, no. it's fascist, not communist. it's written as an allegory/satire of what would happen if nazi germany took over. fascism was kind of the movement of the moment in the 1940's. communism didn't really take hold in the eastern bloc until later, and orwell's later novel, animal farm, is written about the communist system. this is accepted fact.

Then why would ORLWELL say that it was about communism?

Ok, I'll accept it for now, but, damn, I'm almost positive there's a bit in there about communism. I'll just have to re-read it when I get home and then concede victory.

maybe but it's basically an allegory. not necessarily in relation to anything, just human nature. actually the technical term for it is dystopia, the opposite of utopia.