Resident Evil 4 is getting perfect reviews. Best game ever?

I been eagerly waiting for this puppy and then I hear this will get PS2 release some time later this year. And now I'm in a bit of a bind. I don't know if I should wait for PS2 version, which will undoubtlably have extra features but dumb downed graphic, or just get GC version. I don't much like CG's fisher price looking controller with it's awkard button setting. But I hear things like 'oooohhh, but it's so easy to control' and 'you'll get used to it after like ten minutes of playing' and such more. Actually, I don't even have money for it anyways so it's not much of a bind but I still don't know which version to pick up...

[QUOTE=bboymute]I been eagerly waiting for this puppy and then I hear this will get PS2 release some time later this year. And now I'm in a bit of a bind. I don't know if I should wait for PS2 version, which will undoubtlably have extra features but dumb downed graphic, or just get GC version. I don't much like CG's fisher price looking controller with it's awkard button setting. But I hear things like 'oooohhh, but it's so easy to control' and 'you'll get used to it after like ten minutes of playing' and such more. Actually, I don't even have money for it anyways so it's not much of a bind but I still don't know which version to pick up...[/QUOTE]
im hateful of the game cube controller for every game ive played on it except for the RE series. the RE series offers rather simplistic control layout s which transfre nicely to the gamecube (or have in the past at least) where more complexly controled games (shooters and fighting games have not) i kept ahold of a GC for this game, and this game only pretty much.

It's got to be one of the best games I've ever played, the reviews are fully justified. I don't seem to be having any problems with the controller but I play my Gamecube more than any other current system so that could be part of it. I find the XBOX to have the worst controller of any system ever, but then again, I loved the N64 controller so take my word how you will.

The story is really great, the action is intense, and it's just fun. The only problem I had was no strafing but you get used to it rather quickly.

By the way, the best game ever made (to me and many others) was Zelda: Ocarina of Time, but this game is probably in my top ten now.

And if you wanna get all the reviews rounded up just go to [url]www.gamerankings.com[/url]

OK, I realized what I said didn't give much info for the game so here are the best things of it, keeping in mind that I'm about a third of the way through it.

Realistic targeting and shooting. If you shoot their kneecaps they limp and occassionally can't walk at all. Limbshots will cause them to lose weapons and you can shoot projectiles heading at you which is so awesome when you do it by accident and then realize you did it!

Amazing boss fights. I've encountered two of them so far and they rank up with any boss I've seen in Metroid or Zelda which I consider the best games for bosses.

Amazing sense of urgency and danger. The enemies come at you incessantly. You can choose to kill them all in a certain area or try to run through gaining what you need to advance, but trying the latter is much harder. At no time in this game do you feel safe. I've just past a point that to me is one of the best gaming moments I've ever had for sheer thrill. Without saying too much, you are fending off guys pouring through windows in a small cabin. It seems like it will never stop but ends at a perfect amount of time.

Adjusting difficulty. Their is no easy, normal, or hard setting here but if you die repeatedly (you can continue from points that are pretty close to where you died which is great) the game adjusts the difficulty to become easier. It's a great system that really works.

Context sensitive A button. When you near just about anything you can use the A button will allow you to perform an action. Within the first ten minutes you can jump through and out of first and second story windows, kick open doors to knock enemies back, push bookcases in front of doors and windows to impede their approach, and knock down ladders they may be using to climb to your level.

Those are just a few of the great things I've seen. Granted, I'm probably a little biased as I've had this game reserved for three months and got the collector's edition from Gamestop but a good game is a good game regardless.

Just do yourself the favor and buy it!

i want this game so badly! i didn;t realize it was out yet. i play almost exclusively arcade style games (ikaruga, super monkey ball, etc.) but i make exceptions for the zombie genre games like resident evil and silent hill.

i loved resident evil zero for gamecube. also, the remake of the original resident evil looked awesome, but i never liked playing it, i thought it was too complicated.

i am astonished at the ratings this game has gotten.

is there any chance for this game to hit the xbox?

[QUOTE=Xk3zofrenik]is there any chance for this game to hit the xbox?[/QUOTE]
Not a chance. The developing company, Capcom, makers of Mega Man, have been very opposed to developing games for the XBOX. If I remember correctly they published a few titles, namely Onimusha, that did not sell to their expectations so they cut development for the system. To be fair, this is the same company that was dissappointed with million+ sales of RE0 and REmake on the Gamecube.

Actually, if not for three companies Gamecube's third-party development would be nigh invisible. Thank God for Capcom, Sega, and especially Namco.

Also, if you can wait, the PS2 version should be out around this December. By then the new XBOX and Zelda game will arrive and drive down PS2 prices if you don't all ready own the system. If waiting ain't your thing (which for this game to me would be unbearable), a used Gamecube can be purchased for 60 dollars at EB or Gamestop and RE4 goes for 50. It has a lot of games worth checking out beyond this. Go for the Metroid Prime games, Rogue Squadron games, Pikmin series, and Eternal Darkness. There's a lot more but those are a few of the great ones. Honestly, unless you can't afford it, I see no reason to own only one console, you really limit yourself. When I was a kid I could only get Nintendo systems cuz of money but now I make a point to get the big systems.

Don't like the regular GC controller? You can always get this one: [URL=http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=5818]Chainsaw![/URL]

What is with Capcom and crazy controlers?!

Also, how could you hate the GC controler?
Its like its making love to your hands

[QUOTE=Fiberoptic Jesus]What is with Capcom and crazy controlers?!

Also, how could you hate the GC controler?
Its like its making love to your hands[/QUOTE]

My roommate and I hated the Gamecube controller as well when we got the system. But we found a nifty little coverter, where you could plug your PS2 controller into and use that instead of the GC one.

And I've seen GC's as low as $50 brand new and $30 used. From working retail, don't be surprised to see it drop as a price point again soon.

[QUOTE=JustinHolt]My roommate and I hated the Gamecube controller as well when we got the system. But we found a nifty little coverter, where you could plug your PS2 controller into and use that instead of the GC one.

And I've seen GC's as low as $50 brand new and $30 used. From working retail, don't be surprised to see it drop as a price point again soon.[/QUOTE]
the price alone should have made the cube a contender.
but as far as i can see RE and zelda are its only real selling point (metroid, maybe also)

its a pity nintendo went with the "fun for everyone" mentallity. seeing as how most gamers are much more "hardcore" than nintendo seems to think. and having a family-friendly console is no longer practicle. and may well have been its only (and fatal) downfall.

[QUOTE=Atomos]the price alone should have made the cube a contender.
but as far as i can see RE and zelda are its only real selling point (metroid, maybe also)

its a pity nintendo went with the "fun for everyone" mentallity. seeing as how most gamers are much more "hardcore" than nintendo seems to think. and having a family-friendly console is no longer practicle. and may well have been its only (and fatal) downfall.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I totally agree. I only played the GC because it was there. After the first week all it did was collect dust. The system sucks. Nintendo lost its luster to me, for good, after Goldeneye for N64, although I was already on to PS1. Too many kiddie games. Too whacked out paddle styles. And not user friendly enough to be able to play CD's, or then DVD's.

I've owned all three at various times, and overall my favorite is still the PS2. Loading times suck, and the graphics are middle grade of the three, but game selection and the paddle easily take the cake for me. Plus, I hate Halo and most futuristic shooters so XBox wasn't all it was cracked up to me for my tastes either.

[QUOTE=JustinHolt]Oh, I totally agree. I only played the GC because it was there. After the first week all it did was collect dust. The system sucks. Nintendo lost its luster to me, for good, after Goldeneye for N64, although I was already on to PS1. Too many kiddie games. Too whacked out paddle styles. And not user friendly enough to be able to play CD's, or then DVD's.

I've owned all three at various times, and overall my favorite is still the PS2. Loading times suck, and the graphics are middle grade of the three, but game selection and the paddle easily take the cake for me. Plus, I hate Halo and most futuristic shooters so XBox wasn't all it was cracked up to me for my tastes either.[/QUOTE]
xbox is out of selling points with most of it's user base. considering the last games i've bought and played more than a few days were the rainbow six games (for the online play) and some of the old school platformers it brought back (ninja gaiden, prince of persia)

sony by far has the best games (metal gear, GTA, hitman) before the other guys, and they have the most natuaral feeling controls too. and i can sacrifice load times for faster release dates and better control, am i right?

You forget one point. Pokemon.
Nintendo are doing fine.

[QUOTE=Fiberoptic Jesus]You forget one point. Pokemon.
Nintendo are doing fine.[/QUOTE]
Actually, from a monetary position Nintendo is doing great. In the last fiscal year they raked in a little over 800 million dollars, more than either Sony or Microsoft's game divisions. The Gamecube and XBOX are tied for worldwide sales with Sony being a huge leader. As memory recalls both XBOX and GC have about 25 million in console sales worldwide while the PS2 has about 120 million. The GBA is right behind that if not slightly ahead and the DS is looking like it might do pretty well. FJ is right, they got nothin to worry about.

And once again people, go buy this game.

[QUOTE=Fiberoptic Jesus]You forget one point. Pokemon.
Nintendo are doing fine.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean doing fine as in making money, or as in good games, with Pokeman being an example of a good game?

If so, that's weak.

[QUOTE=dim71886]Actually, from a monetary position Nintendo is doing great. In the last fiscal year they raked in a little over 800 million dollars, more than either Sony or Microsoft's game divisions. The Gamecube and XBOX are tied for worldwide sales with Sony being a huge leader. As memory recalls both XBOX and GC have about 25 million in console sales worldwide while the PS2 has about 120 million. The GBA is right behind that if not slightly ahead and the DS is looking like it might do pretty well. FJ is right, they got nothin to worry about.

And once again people, go buy this game.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo might be doing great financially. But that's only because of their GB product. The Gamecube is horrible. The game selection. The paddle. The fact that it's a mini disk and not DVD playable. To anyone who isn't eight, there really isn't a selling point for someone to buy them.

For three years I worked in a electronics department where I sold a lot of the video game systems and hundreds upon hundreds of times I was asked, "Well if this was you, what one would you buy?" And I explained all three evenly. I mean, what the hell, I'm not making an commission on any one over the other and what do I care what somebody prefers. But whenever I would lay out the pros and cons of each system, the Gamecube was always, always, always an afterthought. The top two reasons for people buying it. 1)Cheap 2)Kids

And I agree with the XBox being out of selling points. What, other than Halo, do they have to pull someone who is debating over the three in? Better graphics? Ability to store music? Maybe, but again from selling them, if people were solely driven by those two, then they would play games on the cpu.

i got xbox soley for live. and im dissappointed in how they treat it. they dumb down the PC translations
(in the PC version rainbow you can customize your weaposn, choose your ammo, get wounded, ect)

and the actual xbox live gam releases (halo) suck ass

I like the GC the best for games.
Sure its not usually adult, but who cares?
I like Paper Mario 2 over San Andreas not because I like pretty colours, it was because I like great games with innovative gameplay and nintendo has this in leaps and bounds over almost everyone.
Nintendo never pretended to be in any other market than gaming. They dont want their console to be an entertainment center like everone else.

ok so picked up my copy of RE4
my cheif bitch is that so far ammo isnt that hard to come by, which sort of defeats the purpose of calling it survival. being able to purchase more shit (see the trader guy) also kinda takes away some of the fun of the game. really the RE series is about finding the shit you need to make it through, right? cuz if you cant find it, your fucked, right?

VERDICT

amazing game... fucking amazing.. but im really getting sick of companies betraying their franchise, and their core fans in moves like this. doesnt mean i dont love the game; justt hat im a little disheartened by what they've made it into

[QUOTE=Fiberoptic Jesus]I like the GC the best for games.
Sure its not usually adult, but who cares?
I like Paper Mario 2 over San Andreas not because I like pretty colours, it was because I like great games with innovative gameplay and nintendo has this in leaps and bounds over almost everyone.
Nintendo never pretended to be in any other market than gaming. They dont want their console to be an entertainment center like everone else.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. My GC gets the lions share of my attention because its enjoyable and fun to play, same reason I still play my NES and SNES. If a game looks like a cartoon why should that immediately make it kiddy? That's like equating South Park to Spongebob because they share an animation style. And just looking at my collection I see 3 Resident Evils, 2 Rogue Squadrons, 2 Metroids, Eternal Darkness, Ikaruga, and F-Zero GX. None of those would I consider kiddy. And the kiddy ones like MArio Kart, Mario Tennis, LoZ: The Wind Waker, Viewtiful Joe, Paper Mario, Super Mario Sunshine, and Pikmin are all fun and interesting games to play.

To me the Gamecube has had the most AAA titles on it since the SNES which remains my top system.

And Atomos, I can definitely see why you would be a little apprehensive toward the change. It's huge. But to many people the gameplay mechanics in RE was getting stale and repetitive. To me, I played for the story but in recent years it's become evident that the story of RE is being made up as they go along and will probably never be resolved so there's still outstanding gameplay to be had which pretty much trumps everything else. Oh well, if I want a confusing timeline to be had the new Zelda comes out sometime later this year. There're lots of theories how those fit together but noone's sure.

To each their own for sure...

I used to be a big time fan of the NES. Still have it hooked up in fact, and from time to time, a little Contra, Tecmo Bowl, or Mike Tyson's Punchout is nice. Zelda too.

But I never got around to getting the Super NES. I played it, but I can't say other than Zelda, which pissed me off because that's the only one I couldn't beat, and the Super Tecmo Bowl gave I wasn't much impressed.

I ended up siding with the Genesis and I loved it. I even got the Sega Channel when it was available. 30 games a month for $9? Not a bad deal.

When the next generation came out, I got the PS1 and the N64. I love my sports games above anything else, and that is why I fell in love with Sony right away. But I also continued my love for the FF series, and right away fell for the crude GTA franchise. But there were some kick ass games for my N64. Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Conker's Bad Fur Day. But in the end I looked over my stacks of games and saw that I had ten times as many PS1 games as I did N64, so I got rid of the N64 and never looked back.

When the next wave of big 3 came out I held out because everyone else I knew had them. But when decision time came, again, PS2 had way more games, the sports game play was a hundred times better than the cartoonish looking graphics of Gamecube, and XBox, well I hated Halo so that ended that. With PS2 I had the GTA series, Madden, FF, Suikoden, and Tomb Raider (which I eventually gave up altogether). The other systems couldn't offer half that.

I broke down and at one time or another owned all three. The GC lasted a month, maybe, before we got rid of it. The XBox lasted 5 or so weeks before we got rid of it.

The overall entertainment system wasn't that big of a selling point for me either, but it is nice to have an extra DVD player without having to spend another $30 worth to make it one.

But again, to each their own.

One thing I hated about RE Zero was that they got rid of them 'magic boxes'. It was really annoying to have to go back and forth transporting items and collecting it at one room and doing that over when you advanced far enough. So what is it like in RE4 concerning this matter, how is the system like?

[QUOTE=JustinHolt]To each their own for sure...

I used to be a big time fan of the NES. Still have it hooked up in fact, and from time to time, a little Contra, Tecmo Bowl, or Mike Tyson's Punchout is nice. Zelda too.

But I never got around to getting the Super NES. I played it, but I can't say other than Zelda, which pissed me off because that's the only one I couldn't beat, and the Super Tecmo Bowl gave I wasn't much impressed.

I ended up siding with the Genesis and I loved it. I even got the Sega Channel when it was available. 30 games a month for $9? Not a bad deal.

When the next generation came out, I got the PS1 and the N64. I love my sports games above anything else, and that is why I fell in love with Sony right away. But I also continued my love for the FF series, and right away fell for the crude GTA franchise. But there were some kick ass games for my N64. Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Conker's Bad Fur Day. But in the end I looked over my stacks of games and saw that I had ten times as many PS1 games as I did N64, so I got rid of the N64 and never looked back.

When the next wave of big 3 came out I held out because everyone else I knew had them. But when decision time came, again, PS2 had way more games, the sports game play was a hundred times better than the cartoonish looking graphics of Gamecube, and XBox, well I hated Halo so that ended that. With PS2 I had the GTA series, Madden, FF, Suikoden, and Tomb Raider (which I eventually gave up altogether). The other systems couldn't offer half that.

I broke down and at one time or another owned all three. The GC lasted a month, maybe, before we got rid of it. The XBox lasted 5 or so weeks before we got rid of it.

The overall entertainment system wasn't that big of a selling point for me either, but it is nice to have an extra DVD player without having to spend another $30 worth to make it one.

But again, to each their own.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I got my NES in 1989 when I was three along with Mega Man 2, Super Mario Bros., and Zelda. To this day i can;t play those games without a huge grin on my face because of nostalgic love for them.

The SNES for me had the RPGs like FF, Chrono Trigger, and Super Mario RPG. Super Metroid still ranks in my top three games ever, and A Link to the Past took me years to beat but remains a favorite. I think the opening theme to it along with the music that plays in Hyrule Castle are probably the best songs in any videogame. And let's not forget TMNT: Tutrtles in Time, one of the best multiplayer games ever.

To me the Genesis only had Sonic and better versions of Mortal Kombat.

As I look back at the PS1 and N64 era see about 30 must own games for the 64 to the PS1s 10 or so. I don't care for sports titles so for me the PS had a few great RPGs, like FF and Chrono Cross, and Metal Gear and maybe Catlevania: Symphony of the Night. But the 64 had a couple Zeldas (OoT is my top game ever), Mario games, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker, Killer Instinct Gold, Wave Race, Star Fox, F-Zero, Extreme-G, Jet Force Gemini, Ogre Battle, Paper Mario, Turok, and more. I probably played my N64 more than any console I've ever owned.

Even now the XBOX only has Halo and Ninja Gaiden while the PS2 has FF, Metal Gear, and Devil May Cry. But to me the GC has every Nintendo franchise comprising of about 30 good games and a bunch of 'others' that I don't play like Mario Party. I just always loved Nintendo games. They seem to be done with so much care and are so consistently good that I can't help but love them. I'm excited to see what they're going to do with their next console which is gonna be unveiled at E3 this year along with the other two presumably.

[QUOTE=dim71886]Yea, I got my NES in 1989 when I was three along with Mega Man 2, Super Mario Bros., and Zelda. To this day i can;t play those games without a huge grin on my face because of nostalgic love for them.

The SNES for me had the RPGs like FF, Chrono Trigger, and Super Mario RPG. Super Metroid still ranks in my top three games ever, and A Link to the Past took me years to beat but remains a favorite. I think the opening theme to it along with the music that plays in Hyrule Castle are probably the best songs in any videogame. And let's not forget TMNT: Tutrtles in Time, one of the best multiplayer games ever.

To me the Genesis only had Sonic and better versions of Mortal Kombat.

As I look back at the PS1 and N64 era see about 30 must own games for the 64 to the PS1s 10 or so. I don't care for sports titles so for me the PS had a few great RPGs, like FF and Chrono Cross, and Metal Gear and maybe Catlevania: Symphony of the Night. But the 64 had a couple Zeldas (OoT is my top game ever), Mario games, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker, Killer Instinct Gold, Wave Race, Star Fox, F-Zero, Extreme-G, Jet Force Gemini, Ogre Battle, Paper Mario, Turok, and more. I probably played my N64 more than any console I've ever owned.

Even now the XBOX only has Halo and Ninja Gaiden while the PS2 has FF, Metal Gear, and Devil May Cry. But to me the GC has every Nintendo franchise comprising of about 30 good games and a bunch of 'others' that I don't play like Mario Party. I just always loved Nintendo games. They seem to be done with so much care and are so consistently good that I can't help but love them. I'm excited to see what they're going to do with their next console which is gonna be unveiled at E3 this year along with the other two presumably.[/QUOTE]

And I think that is where my problem with Nintendo is. The only games franchise they still have that I like(d) is Zelda, and I haven't played one of them since OOT from 64, to which even that, after a while, I lost interest. FF came over to PS1 and I f'n loved FF7 more than any RPG, other than Suikoden 1 maybe, that I've played. GTA, all of them, are probably some of my favorite games ever. And I have to have sports games. Madden, MVP Baseball, NCAA Football, etc., those are the types of games that dictate what system I like more.

If those are the games you enjoy than you're option was pretty much the PS2. It seems that they tend to get the bulk of those titles. I think a person owns different systems for different genres and franchises.

The PS2 has RPGs (Xenosaga, Final Fantasy, Suikoden), Metal Gear, Devil May Cry, a lot of sports and racing titles.

XBOX has a number of shooters, primarily Halo, some more Western influenced RPGs (Morrowmind and KOTOR), and some damn good action titles, best of which is Ninja Gaiden.

The GC has Nintendo franchises and a few 3rd-party exclusives, the biggest of which are Sega's Monkey Ball games, a lot of Namco offerings, and the occasional Capcom title like the Resident Evils.

I think the GC is this generations Dreamcast (some argue the Dreamcast is in this gen but the problem there is that it died very early on, so I consider Sega as having two platforms during the PS1 and N64 gen with both the Saturn and Dreamcast). The Dreamcast was a system that wasn't made for the casual gamer and so had a very select audience of older gamers and the ones who didn't mind the image. This is where the GC falls. It has only that audience but few of the casual gamers. Nintendo is claiming that their new system is going to be aimed more at the mainstream but at the same time they say it's going to bring about a paradigm shift in the way people play games. I have high hopes for it but I'm equally afraid that it might be another Virtual Boy.

i dont think its about an image or an audience.
nintendo did a poor job keeping their developers (rare, ect) they do make a few great games. but at the same time they make some that are just massiveky too basic (project number 03, anyone) and they dont put anything near the time into advertising as the other biys either

[QUOTE=Atomos]i dont think its about an image or an audience.
nintendo did a poor job keeping their developers (rare, ect) they do make a few great games. but at the same time they make some that are just massiveky too basic (project number 03, anyone) and they dont put anything near the time into advertising as the other biys either[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. What killed them was sticking with cartridges, when I was discussing their image that has been more of a recent issue.

In the early 90s Nintendo and Sony had a cushy little relationship. Sony had helped to develop the NES and SNES and their Japanese counterparts. Then Sony came to Nintendo with the proposition of developing a CD based system. Nintendo basically said hell no and Sony went off and developed the Playstation.

The thing is, the Playstation had stiff competition from the SNES for its first year or so, but when Nintendo went to another cartridge based system the developers left. It was easier to develop for Cd and Nintendo had alienated many companies by that point as well.

I think the big one that killed Nintendo was Square leaving in the US and Enix leaving in Japan. The Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games were two huge franchises for the company and when they both left due to the CD issue, it did Nintendo in. Look at when the PS got really, really big. It was when Final Fantasy VII hit. Then Metal Gear came soon after.

Nintendo didn't do anything to counter this problem thinking it could maintain some third party relations while building its own company and buying others out. This was where Rare came from. Along with other companies like HAL (made Kirby and Smash Bros.) and many others Nintendo was able to compete. Unfortunately, many of these companies didn't like the intrusions Nintendo made on their businesses and opted out of deals and in the case of Rare stop developing good games on a tight schedule. Look at what Rare has done in the last four years, Star Fox Adventures, Ghoulies, and a remake of Conker. Not a lot going for em.

Still, at least they weren't in the situation Sega got into. When we talk of the PS1 and N64 era there is no mention at all of the Saturn. It had maybe 4 or 5 good games. And the Dreamcast died a slow, painful, and undeserved death.

I was a fan of the Dreamcast while it lasted. I loved the Sega sports games almost as much, or more, than I did the PS1 games, and was going to consider getting one until I heard about the PS2 coming out.

Sega's downfall, I think, was that they relied too much on their name for too long, and then tried to rush their next system to beat the next wave of graphics, which ended up burying them because the PS2 and XBox offered so much more. And the GC, well it was Nintendo so it automatically had its core following.

Nintendo, I think, is quite comfortable in the position they are in with how they have the portable gamer market cornered, even with the PSP, and other hybrids coming out. The GBA is cheap, the selection of games is huge, and with them releasing all these nostaliga games it makes it a justifable purchase for parents who want to enjoy it too. Hell, when I had my GBA, even my girlfriend wouldn't object to me playing that because I had Pac Man. But she'd sure rip into me for playing the PS2 too long.

The GC is just sort of there in the market. They are not going to win over anyone on their game selection alone that they already don't have. If anything, it's going to be because of their low price. But most places you go, and where I worked, when people weight the pros and the cons, all they have to do is look at the display cases to see who's got what to offer. GC is the smallest case, and more than half of their games are plastered with cartoon characters. A good chunk of them have Mario's face all over.

With XBox, the case is full of shooters, and the core seems to be the 18-35 males. Sure they have some other titles that might attact someone, but the PS2 case is by far the biggest, and the GH series have so many cheaper hits that the casual buyer is more likely to go with that one.

Another of Sega's problems was that they had operated in the red for years. they hadn't made a profit since the early days of the Genesis and had been haging by a thread during the Saturn days. Like I said earlier, not matter if you didn't like the N64 or PS1 or loved em to death, you still speak about them. The Saturn isn't even mentioned. It's good games were basically Sega CD ports, Panzer Dragoon, and NiGHTS...

I find myself drawn to owning all three consoles for the various franchises they have. XBOX is my least favorite with the GC being at the top. And my classic consoles still get used since I collect the classic games. I just got a copy of Duck Hunt with box and instructions from 1985 off eBay for less than a dollar. So I can still relive those games too.

I agree though that Nintendo has a huge image problem to contend with. They need to cut back on the Mario Party and Pokemon games for awhile. It seems in recent years their has been a movement in Nintendo to bring Metroid back and it's worked and the new Zelda this year should impress quite a few people. I think that's the worst decision they made since the N64 cartridge one. The Wind Waker should never have been cel shaded. After playing it it is one of the best games I've played in recent years but even I was apprehensive at first and I'm a huge Zelda fan. That alienated way too many people.

Their advertising is shit too, I agree. I saw few ads for Metroid Prime 2, I've seen very few for RE4, and yet I saw tons for Pokemon and Mario Party. And how did they expect MP2 to sell by releasing it a week after Halo 2? I mean, my God! So far it has sold like half a million copies while Halo 2 had 2 and a half million preorders. Granted sales have dropped off but it's still selling well.

There's another thing though in that the XBOX would not be where it is if not for Halo. Other than Ninja Gaiden what is an exclusive game for XBOX that's worth owning the system for? All its other games can be found amongst other consoles and its other exclusives aren't that great. Come on, Fable anyone?

[QUOTE=Fiberoptic Jesus]10/10 from GMR
9.5/10 from 1up.com
9.6 from gamespot
4.5/5 gamepro
9.8/10 IGN

Its finaly out and apparently its pretty much the best game ever made.
Has anyone played this yet?
San Andreas, Half Life 2, Halo 2. None of them had as consistantly high reviews as this game.
And all this after the series has sucked royaly in all instances after part 2.

I have to wait until march when it hits New Zealand :([/QUOTE]
I played the first one obsessively for months. it's the only game that scared the piss out of me. I'd played it in a moldy dark basement with the lights out. The second RE was a huge disappointment, then I feel out of the gaming circle but I do have a playstation 2.

is 4 comeing out on p2? Or P2 obsolete nowadays. I would guess that P3 is due to come out soon.

if resident evil 4 comes out on PC i might get it since it's always fun to relive old scares with new faces.

this game is owning my soul. i JUST got on thje second disc. doe sit ever end?

Yes. Yes. It is the best game ever.

Gran Turisimo 4 came out a week before this in New Zealand.
I got both on release day.

GT4 is still where it was a week after I got it

Devil May Cry 3 isnt helping the poor little game get picked up.

[size=7][b]DAMN YOU CAPCOM!![/b][/size]

PS: Resident Evil 2 = Awesome so shut up