who thinks fight club is being recieved by the fucking wrong people?

ok

Honey, you have [i]issues[/i].

He's got a point though.

i absolutley agree with him....many people are thinkging the movie's point was about fighting....and i'm like ummm NO....you're stuipd so die....i think if thats what they think it is about...then they're just too damn dumb to be allowed out of thier house....lol...so i agree with you completely...and to those who DO think it's about fighting....watch the movie like 50 more times and focus on the WORDS!!!!

To be fair, though, fighting is a helluva lotta fun...

totally agree with him. but i guess there's a certain level of intelligence and understanding you need to have of society and as an individual to completely grasp fight club or anything chuck has spawned.
and as that is a commodity these people will never have...

Issues!
what the fiddle-faddle?

Fight club wasn't about blowing shit up, or that over-rated, fucking annoying word, "anarchy", it was about setting goals and achieving them without any obstacle in the way. because after fucking all, obstacles are human, and, you know, they are ways to make humans get out of the way.

change your life. was i think one of the tag-lines. not about purposefully doing random shit to look cool.

nihilism in society go togther like a cock and balls, and until people understand that, you won't understand or appreciate fight club's various messages.

if there are changes to be had, they let them be had.

getting depressed and lashing out in anger in all the wrong ways is a fucking pathetic vaginal discharge of an excuse to carry the good name of fight club.
literature and art.

fuck punk
and fuck cliche, and fuck tradition, because, sweetie, times have changed.

[QUOTE=bonjovigrl]you're [B]stuipd[/B] so die...[/QUOTE]

No, you're stupid. You die.

Eh quit being snobby. It's a commercial film and was available to anyone 17+ for interpretation.

It annoys me that he worried or annoyed about the movie being "recieved" by the wrong people. As if these kids might walk out of thier homes like zombies and start making soap and shaving thier heads. It's just a movie, and these kids will do whatever they want regardless.

It's a 100,000,000 times better solution then therapy or happy pills. Pain is a serious release.

fight is fun, but thats no all what the movie is about

Hm.

I think you have some legitimate anger here. And yes, you are angry. I don't have to "see" anything else to understand that. But I think you are letting off alot of heat and not enough light. There are people who simply will not understand the deeper value of this story. Just like Hitler didn't understand Nietzsche. Let's hope things don't get that bad- but since it has happened before and with disasterous consequences, there is a legitimate beef here. We don't have to be elitist about it, but it's fair enough to raise it as a concern.

What should we do about the folks who are into Tyler for the Fashion Violence? I think I heard Chuck mention how it has been wild watching this thing develop a life of it's own. I can deduce by that that he is no longer in control of how this story is received by the general public. Who is?

Can we safely imagine OURSELVES as being responsible for making sure that the final goal (being the Integration which Jack worked so hard to achieve and his behavior from then on) is understood by those who don't yet get it? I think someone in this string alluded to this. Influence. This takes light as well as heat. Are we doing this?

What the fuck do you care who likes a book or movie its none of your business and if there is any such thing as a wrong person you embody it you pretentious twit. The more people that buy the book the more cash in Chuckies pocket moron.

So your saying there's no such thing as the wrong person and it's none of my business what people like... and you're calling me a pretentious twit and a moron? Are you incapable of reading what comes out of your keyboard?

I'm thinking you either
a) didn't read what I said about Hitler or
didn't understand it.

Ideas matter. And it matters when the Big Ones are not understood correctly at least at the most basic level. I don't need to call people names to make my point, and I understood your point the first time you wrote it. I can care if I want to. If you don't want to, then you don't have to. Do you really feel the need to get in the way of people who want to create more understanding in the world?

[QUOTE=Schism]It annoys me that he worried or annoyed about the movie being "recieved" by the wrong people. As if these kids might walk out of thier homes like zombies and start making soap and shaving thier heads. It's just a movie, and these kids will do whatever they want regardless.[/QUOTE]

We weren't supposed to do that!? GOD DAMMIT!!

Who cares what people think, by the very nature of the point, the book and the movie defy it. Stop worrying about it and go read Survivor. Then kill yourself.

the movie (not the book) is meant to be entertaining on two levels,

1.)it must be true to the story so that the fans of the book are entertained

2.) it must be beefed up a bit more action for the standard american audience, so they show the fights, they show the carnage and they make it as entertaining as possible.

everyone is entitled to thier own interpretation no matter how stupid it maybe

let it go

now who wants a hug?

[QUOTE=Whitewave]So your saying there's no such thing as the wrong person and it's none of my business what people like... and you're calling me a pretentious twit and a moron? Are you incapable of reading what comes out of your keyboard?

I'm thinking you either
a) didn't read what I said about Hitler or
didn't understand it.

Ideas matter. And it matters when the Big Ones are not understood correctly at least at the most basic level. I don't need to call people names to make my point, and I understood your point the first time you wrote it. I can care if I want to. If you don't want to, then you don't have to. Do you really feel the need to get in the way of people who want to create more understanding in the world?[/QUOTE]

I hate to talk for someone else, but I don't think he was addressing you.
Less heat, please.

everybody sees things differently, some people will take one thing away from this book/movie/the new video game, and another will take away something else, stupid or not.

[QUOTE=Waggy The Dog]fuck.
fuck i say, to all of the little cocksuckers who watch fucking movies like fight club then try to immitate it. missing the fucking point entire [fuck schindler's list vocab.} and try to explode things with a smug grin on their face. fucking incompetant bastards reminicent of retarded bastard meese prematurley born from a fucking retarted bitch mother moose. its like watching sketch comedy and we all know how funny that is.[/QUOTE]
yeah, people never get the philosophy (point) of movies majority of the time. they always go for the lowest common denominator. blow shyte up or fight. that's why epople see the matrix, all it is is fighting. blow shite up. how long would the movie be without all that and just the philosophy in it?
if you want to really do the movie, take all your shit and burn it in the dump. then walk away from it all.
how about WE ALL WALK AWAY FROM IT ALL? that'll bring down the "buildings" faster and longer than any ol' bomb.

seems like you can get a lot of different things out of fight club, but only the idiots think it's only about fighting and blowing shit up.
and yes, i do like to fight, but no one will. at least not until they are drunk, and then it is no fun because drunks can't fight.

[QUOTE=Waggy The Dog]fuck.
fuck i say, to all of the little cocksuckers who watch fucking movies like fight club then try to immitate it. missing the fucking point entire [fuck schindler's list vocab.} and try to explode things with a smug grin on their face. fucking incompetant bastards reminicent of retarded bastard meese prematurley born from a fucking retarted bitch mother moose. its like watching sketch comedy and we all know how funny that is.[/QUOTE]

Waggy, think of those people as Space Monkeys.

the thing that makes Fight Club great is it can mean so much to different people in different ways. maybe some people take it wrong, but anyone who says that they have some monopoly on the truth is [b]fucking arrogant[/b], especially if you're not the one who thought the whole thing up. and you didn't.

the only one who has that place is CP. so fuck all of you who think you're so elite because you got the [i]real[/i] point of fight club and no one else did. it's a damn good movie, who cares if a few people got it wrong. like anyone here has never misunderstood a movie. intellectual pride is just as pathetic as being proud of your dust ruffles or your audi or your almost perfect wardrobe. didn't you learn anything from fight club?

look, more importantly. the fact that so many people have latched onto fight club as a favorite book/movie is what enable CP to keep publishing. I'd hate to think that he would take this attitude and say only certain people are worthy of reading his books. cause if that was his attitude, it'd be hard to continue as a fan. but I'm guessing that's not at all how he thinks of it. I'm sure he's dissapointed if some people take it all wrong, but the important thing is that these people have been exposed to the ideas presented in fight club. maybe they'll get it later in life. hopefully so. CP fans are fans for many reasons. who are we to say they're the wrong reasons?

[QUOTE=Waggy The Dog]Issues!
what the fiddle-faddle?

Fight club wasn't about blowing shit up, or that over-rated, fucking annoying word, "anarchy", it was about setting goals and achieving them without any obstacle in the way. because after fucking all, obstacles are human, and, you know, they are ways to make humans get out of the way.

change your life. was i think one of the tag-lines. not about purposefully doing random shit to look cool.

nihilism in society go togther like a cock and balls, and until people understand that, you won't understand or appreciate fight club's various messages.

if there are changes to be had, they let them be had.

getting depressed and lashing out in anger in all the wrong ways is a fucking pathetic vaginal discharge of an excuse to carry the good name of fight club.
literature and art.

fuck punk
and fuck cliche, and fuck tradition, because, sweetie, times have changed.[/QUOTE]
i guess fight club wasn't about forming coherent thoughts, spelling or grammar, eh?

sorry i had to. i can't even read that man. take your time and calm the fuck down.

that is so very astute of you to say, eh.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]the thing that makes Fight Club great is it can mean so much to different people in different ways. maybe some people take it wrong, but anyone who says that they have some monopoly on the truth is [b]fucking arrogant[/b], especially if you're not the one who thought the whole thing up. and you didn't.

the only one who has that place is CP. so fuck all of you who think you're so elite because you got the [i]real[/i] point of fight club and no one else did. it's a damn good movie, who cares if a few people got it wrong. like anyone here has never misunderstood a movie. intellectual pride is just as pathetic as being proud of your dust ruffles or your audi or your almost perfect wardrobe. didn't you learn anything from fight club?[/QUOTE]
that's right on man. intellectual monopoly doesn't exist and we all only know what fight club means to us as individuals. even CP only knows what it means to him. you can say that his point of view is somehow more important because he wrote the book but that's not even true. at least not for me. the most important viewpoint for me is my own without a doubt.

I'm sorry. I've been busy with a real live ejection from consumer-driven corporate bondage. I'm trying to learn to "make soap" as I write and I have just hit the bottom that I've been avoiding for 40 years.

I'm reading this thread in "threaded mode" and so when I saw morey's comment branched directly off of and under mine I ass-u-me-d that it was to me. Am I wrong?

Waggy's original post was elitist and your opposite reaction is equal to it. Backlash always runs the risk of repeating the hated mistakes of others.

But the mistake he made wasn't his disappointment that many people didn't have a better understanding of it. His mistake was his extreme loathing and hate. He aparently couldn't find a better way to engage people about this subject so that it didn't create an even more destructive backlash. Important points might have earned the ears of more people had he come from a less exclusionary place.

But you guys are merely compounding the problem. Intellectual elitism is not the mere dissatisfaction with shallow thinking. Dissatisfaction, like your own, can be a good catalyst for change. Real intellectual elitism is when the chosen expose their true character flaw of needing to be in control and superior by systematically excluding "shallow thinkers" or "wrong thinkers" from conversations using blatant hostility... such as you have been doing. Sometimes anger can come from the sense of being oppressed and requiring a just compensation, but emotion often makes it difficult to reign it in enough to keep it just. You guys have shown no restraint. You have exposed your own need to be in control by excluding other "wrong thinkers" from conversation using blatant hostility.

You have contradicted yourselves in your arguments, exposing your inability to understand fundamental ideas about meaning and truth, then struck postures that say you have no desire to learn anything new. You have made it bad or wrong to take any stance besides that of the lowest common denominator and removed any claims besides your own to truth, including the personal honesty of others. And aparently you don't care. If you and up being excluded, who's fault is that?

How will the vicious cycle end?

[size=4]Let. This. Thread. Die.[/size]

It will die. Then it will return in another form. Then another. Then another. Then another. But to humor you, consider it unsubscribed.

Fight Clup clearly refer to Marx's theory that the revolution will start from the wealth society itself. A french book called Troy Horse (Le cheval de Troie) develop this theory. It says Capitalism creates the instrument of its destruction by increasing the anger of "proletaires" (the ones who only have their working abilities to trade) who live right next to the wealthy owners. And that the rebellion will come from the very center of cities, beacause of this proximity.

I am no Marxist. I just bind.

Fight Club is against a lot of anarchist theories, calling for non-violence. With a violent way to make revolution, you'll end up with a violent society.

ps : this discussion comes over and over again on this forum. I hate losers like Whitewave who think their point of view is the only one. Fight Club do speak about violent revolution. You can see other levels of comprehension; that doesn't exclude anything.

ok i know im a bit late, but D'UH the movie isn't ment to be copied into real life, whoever does the stuff in fight club the movie isn't really doing what the movie is doing, their really just nutcases needing a reason to do such things.

the movie is ment to get people thinking about where there life is going, and hardly that, jesus h. christ it had a point of not trying to get into celeb worship with brad pitt in the movie, last i heard he is the GOD of celebs.

Maybe if we could find a message in this thread beneath the mass amounts of the word "fuck" then there might be something to argue.

Waggy the Dog, you are a moron with a very small vocabulary.

I'm not sure if we've just gotten used to violence or we're actually becoming more insightful in our reasoning- but I think over time people have gradually warmed up to deeper meanings in movies. Sure there are a lot of people who still frown upon the film, dismissing it as senseless violence. In all however, I think more people are starting to look beyond the violence, into the reasoning, into the messages.

Common thought has changed since 1999.

I'm sorry, "Fight Club"? That's F-I-G-H-T Club? Mm, nope, I don't know what the hell you're on about.

[QUOTE=Waggy The Dog;278710]fuck.
fuck i say, to all of the little cocksuckers who watch fucking movies like fight club then try to immitate it. missing the fucking point entire [fuck schindler's list vocab.} and try to explode things with a smug grin on their face. fucking incompetant bastards reminicent of retarded bastard meese prematurley born from a fucking retarted bitch mother moose. its like watching sketch comedy and we all know how funny that is.[/QUOTE]

Are you a Communist?

Old topic, but American History X is another great example of a misinterpreted film, also with Edward Norton. I've actually had a psuedo-skinhead invoke a quote in an argument once and I laughed in his face. It's all about breaking down racial walls and being accepted. Also, just as in Fight Club, all does not end so well.

I just wanna say wow

wow.

Well this thread seems to be pretty immortal so I might as well put my opinion forward.

If Fight Club inspires people to start their own 'fight clubs' (should that be a proper noun?) and that changes their life, well good on them! If Fight Club inspires people to break away from consumerism, Excellent! If Fight Club inspires someone to become a chef or a police officer, what ever, good on them!
It doesn't matter what was intended by the movie, we're talking about people's interpretations, if somebody looks at the Mona Lisa and is inspired to change their life, even if to us it has nothing to do with the painting its self, who are we to say that's wrong? If it changes their life for better, who cares how they got there!

Personally, Fight Club was an inspiration for me, in the more intended way, it inspired me to stop worrying about brand names, and doing what people want me to do, I used to be very self conscious, but I don't worry about it anywhere near as much as I used to. Now, it's changed my life in that way, and it's for the better. If it makes somebodies life better who cares HOW. It's still fantastic!

Just my two cents.

You are not a unique snowflake-Tyler