Tylers Idea Of Freedom - Nonsense?!

I always thought Tyler was saying that accepting reality was key to changing it. Accept what matters and disregard the things that don't. Hope in this sense meant wanting to be a moviestar or a rock legend, as he put it. I think. That said, take what you want from what Tyler says. You matter not some fictional soap-maker.

[QUOTE=freundchen;973967]Tyler says:"Loosing all hope is freedom" and he also says:"If you lost everything, you are free to do everything".

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tylers referencing janis joplin singing kris kristofferson, freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose, wheres that plagiarist thread?

I just saw Kris Kirstoferson recently in concert.

I think just the whole point of what Tyler is saying is that once we realize how small we are, how small our life really is, then it becomes less about the intangible and more about the tangible. In post-modernism sense, we can never get to the truth. We can never get to the real. We live our whole lives with the hopes that some day we can be fulfilled. But what is real? what is truth?Sort of like once we realize how fragile we are, then we can't be shattered.

i think that he was talking about hope for society. we are all so afraid of losing...our jobs, our money, prestige, etc, that we don't even think of the possibility that all our hoping could be the problem. i think in some cases losing all hope is the only way of keeping hope alive. i hate the word hope, by the by, sounds stale. hoping isn't helping and it isn't hurting. it's a way of claiming you're taking action without actually doing anything, i think. there's no better way to find yourself than to lose everything.

After Fight Club Tyler Durden went on to become a Disco Legend in the San Fran Roller Disco Derby

As Tyler would respond "Only when you have nothing, are you free to do anything". True freedom, not the type that is written on a piece of paper and decided by a dick in a robe, is the emotional and spiritual kind. The Buddist sort of freedom. Giving away your posessions, giving up your family, friends, jobs and hitting bottom are the same thing. When you have nothing you don't fear spending a night in jail, or in the gutter. You no longer fear getting beat up or going hungry. True freedom isn't keeping hope, it's accepting that there is no longer any need for hope, it's doing whatever you want now, because you know that all the things holding you back will be meaningless when your dead. This notion is more blunt in the book rather than the movie. Tyler doesn't want to destroy the credit card companies' systems in the book, he wants to destroy a museum to prove that we should live in the moment.

Hope is the opposite of action, it is stagnation. You can keep hoping that your situation will change, but do nothing about actually changing it. When there is no hope left, then you may open your mind to possibilities that you had not even considered while you were still hoping that things would be different. Hope is close friends with resignation and apathy. The death of hope is despair, but on the other side of despair is rebirth.

However, sometimes when people say hope, they mean more what I would call possibility, you have a vision of how things can be if you act, you take steps toward fulfilling that vision. If that vision doesn't turn out, then you waver between resignation and hope until you confront despair and then you can create a new vision. Hope is a part of the cycle, but you have to move beyond hope to keep the engine going. It's analogous to the grief cycle for example as described by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross in "On Death and Dying" but rather than physical death, it is the death of a dream, or the death of your own self image, and then rebirth.

ah! I'm seeing "hope" too much. It's hurting my eyes.
The entire concept of freedom here is the fact that once you stop caring, once you're able to let your IKEA catalog furniture, your designer clothing, your bank account, all material possessions burn to the ground, that is when your life begins. You're reborn. You've hit rock bottom with nothing but the clothes on your back and you are truly free. & of course, Project Mayhem was set up to help others realize that if your car gets ruined, the credit card companie gets destroyed, you're still alive and the only way that you can get affected from this, is if you care. If you dont care, then no harm done. You are now invincible to the struggles and hardships that life brings.

[QUOTE=sobe_fear;985307]ah! I'm seeing "hope" too much. It's hurting my eyes.
The entire concept of freedom here is the fact that once you stop caring, once you're able to let your IKEA catalog furniture, your designer clothing, your bank account, all material possessions burn to the ground, that is when your life begins. You're reborn. You've hit rock bottom with nothing but the clothes on your back and you are truly free. & of course, Project Mayhem was set up to help others realize that if your car gets ruined, the credit card companie gets destroyed, you're still alive and the only way that you can get affected from this, is if you care. If you dont care, then no harm done. You are now invincible to the struggles and hardships that life brings.[/QUOTE]

Coming from a guy with a company's product as his user name.

Ive been there

It means that if you want to die - nothing left in life - then you can do anything you want .

you could go bitchslap the quee because nothing worse could happen

ypur free to do anything because you have nothing to loose

I think anyway - anyone disagree?

Hope  is a kind of dream.ı thınk tyler wants that we have to awake.everybody has hopes because human always wants untouchable things and all day dreams.so our dreams captures us.we are not free as we feel.