tried to start a fight club in my highschool a few years ago

[QUOTE=Thrincubus]I tried to start a fight club in my high school a few years ago but the kids had no spine and ouldn't take a hit to the face. rediculous right? I had a great time though. it lasted like six months before everyone else backed out because coming home with bruises and scars wasn't going over well with their parents. anyone else have similar experiences?[/QUOTE]
hey you big rebel, take the ******* out of your signature quote. this isn't high school

You do realize there was more to it than the fighting right? It's just a story mate.

whatever you guys, I like fighting. I've got scars and I'm a better person for them. yes, there was more to fight club than that, but that was a pretty big part of it. Knowing yourself is a lot easier when you know what you're made of. you all can call me juvenile, but when brad pitt said "how much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?", you all nodded in agreement. fuckin hypocrites.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]You all can call me juvenile, but when brad pitt said "how much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?", you all nodded in agreement. fuckin hypocrites.[/QUOTE]

I nodded in agreement because I had recently been in an actual fight where I had gotten my nose broken, as opposed to forming/joining a club based on a book/movie and doing it there.

so, forming/joining a club based on a book or movie is bad? or what didn't I understand there?

cause, I guess with that in mind, I shouldn't have joined the cult. And all this time I thought my mother was wrong when she told me dirty movies were bad for me. Guess I've seen the light.

answer to original question: no, i've been in fights with friends, no big deal, most young males do that anyway, movie/book or not.

response to thread topic: this is an over-heard topic for anyone who's been here past a month or so, but it's new to this kid. i've flipped on a few newbies about this same topic, but it doesn't get you anywhere. if you've fought, fine, if you've not, fine, it's your perogative. neither side will help you "fit in" (or vice versa if you're trying to be "cool"), and neither side is the "better" side. i'd just like to tell thrin, it's probably a good thing it's waned, the parents of the other kids had(have) the legal right to press charges for assault if they had felt like it.

i don't know why so many Cultists have such a problem with people talking about starting Fight Clubs. it seems to be almost total concensus here that if it's done in any way other than the exact way it was done in the book or movie then it's sacreligious or something.
if you plan ahead, or have girls, or wear shirts, or don't include a mention that you know there was more to fight club that just fighting, etc etc, then you just get shot down. i say everybody should go start a fight club, and make it their own; change the rules to fit your situation. who fucking cares?
threads like these are the only times when cultists act like elitists.

amen izen. I mean, fight club is what brought so many of us here in the first place.

it's true, we're not all here because we like to fight, we're here because we like chuck's writing. but it'd be the same if someone made a personal application out of something they read by CP, fight clubs are just more popular than the other possibilities. I'm not going to go out and start choking on food to try and start some cash flow, but if someone can get away with it, hell, be my guest.

I say go to support groups as a tourist, start a fight club, or just start a fight and lose, choke on food, join a death cult, blow your face off, get a sex change, just don't masturbate in a pool ([i]Guts[/i] you know what I mean) or a vacuum cleaner (choke)

[QUOTE=ireLocus]so, forming/joining a club based on a book or movie is bad? or what didn't I understand there?[/QUOTE]

You completely missed my point, which I will simplify for you:

Starting a fight club because you saw Fight Club = Setting yourself on fire because you watched an episode of Jackass.

[QUOTE=mungkay]You completely missed my point, which I will simplify for you:

Starting a fight club because you saw Fight Club = Setting yourself on fire because you watched an episode of Jackass.[/QUOTE]
i disagree completely.
Jackass is purely for show, for doing crazy things.
Fight Club has a lot more to it. It isn't about just fighting, otherwise people could just go start a fight to show how bad-ass they are. People who lost in Fight Club still came away a better person, and of course the other perks: finding out more about yourself, finding out that it doesn't matter if you have bruises and missing teeth and scars.
If a person starts their own Fight Club just to try and be cool, there's something wrong with that, of course, but how are we to know if that's the case based on a thread's opening post? I mean, if a person starts their own FC, where are they going to go to tell people about it: the official message board for FC.

[QUOTE=mungkay]You completely missed my point, which I will simplify for you:

Starting a fight club because you saw Fight Club = Setting yourself on fire because you watched an episode of Jackass.[/QUOTE]

oh.. okay I get it. so... I'll start a fight club, and you can set yourself on fire (cause that's not really my thing.)

I'm sorry, but izen has a very valid, very solid point. and so did I in my last post.

[QUOTE=izen]i disagree completely.
Jackass is purely for show, for doing crazy things.
Fight Club has a lot more to it. It isn't about just fighting, otherwise people could just go start a fight to show how bad-ass they are. People who lost in Fight Club still came away a better person, and of course the other perks: finding out more about yourself, finding out that it doesn't matter if you have bruises and missing teeth and scars.

good god man, you're boring. go nay say somehwere else.

I can't believe it's become necessary to defend this idea.

if you think it's dumb idea, cool. we get it. maybe go start a thread about how dumb it is to start a fight club, then all the people that agree with you can post there, and I won't bother to disagree with you in that thread.

but for real, this site is great because of the people involved in it. that doesn't work when older members trash newbies for every little thing. cause then they don't come back.

My apologies, I was not made aware that you were in charge of member recruitment at the Cult.

Sorry I'm causing stupid people to log off the Cult with tears in their eyes never to return because I called it as I saw it.

I'm also sorry you're so bored of my posts that you continue to read and respond to them, instead of...I dunno...going to another thread that would reduce said boredom.

okay....

so, thrincubus, if you're still out there, I'd say start a fight club. there will always be people who discourage it, nuns, doctors, worried mothers, even some emasculated men. I say fuck 'em. don't let those who lack the guts to go out and do something dangerous to disover more about themselves stop you from your journey. if it's a fight club you want, then dammit, I say do it. and if you happen to meet one of those sad sorry excuses for men out there, I say free his mind. beat the shit out of him.

[QUOTE=mungkay]You completely missed my point, which I will simplify for you:

Starting a fight club because you saw Fight Club = Setting yourself on fire because you watched an episode of Jackass.[/QUOTE]

I think you missed my point. It wasn't about emulating people it was about putting an interesting idea into practice. If you look at the movie (the book as well) one of the main themes seems to be a relation of teenge angst to men in their thirties. it's acting out for attention and just for the sake of causing trouble. call it jouvinile, whatever you want it doesn't bother me. I did it because I hadn't been in a real fight before. I don't feel extra manly now because I've fought on various occasions but the security of being in an environment where win or lose it doesn't matter anymore is kind of comforting. you really learn a lot about yourself when you're put in difficult situations and when the sounds of screams are muffled from your ears because they're stuck between some guys armpit and his elbow it's pretty difficult.

on the point of the other kids parents getting upset, that was just my crude sarcasm and sense of humor that may not have come out the right way in written word. we never tood it really seriously, hell we didn't really have many rules other than some kids didn't like getting hit in the face. you also learn alot about respect for your peers.

We never did this as mindless imitation. we never did it because we liked the idea of walking around in a red leather jacket with bruises all over our face making soap. although I did make soap for a science project a few years back. in any case, the movie sparked my curiousity and if that's wrong then whats the point of watching tv. theres a huge difference between jackass and fight club. izen has a really good point. if your doing it to look cool or be cool then, well, your a dick. but if your doing something like this because its something you want to find out for yourself, or something that you feel will help you understand things better or give you a little more self confidence then why not? it's one thing if I walked around just hitting people like an idiot trying to start fights, but its another thing if its a group of guys who know whats going on and theres a concensus on the reasoning. it never matters who wins. it matters what you get out of the experience. thank you izen and Irelocust for welcoming me into your society. I know I'm new at this but I'm just here to pose different points of view on a topic we all love and are familliar with. I don't understand why people have to jump down everyones throat like they're posing a threat to society because maybe they took something in the movie to their own lives. i mean no offense and I hold no grudge, but likeI said thanks to those not ripping on me.

the sad thing is, a threat to society is exactly what we need. even mungkay sig poses a threat to society:

no, I'm not neceassarily saying we should threaten all of society, all of civilization. But threaten conformity in whatever way you can. threaten social apathy. threaten "manufactured cool" threaten tree huggers [I]and [/I] suv drivers alike. get people to come out from behind their masks and show their faces for who they really are, not for who they try project themselves as.

don't apologize thrincubus. don't you dare. you don't need to please anyone here but yourself right now. (and I guess the site moderators, but they're hard to piss off)

I'm not sorry, man. I'm just saying your 100% right in everyhting you've said. Life is not about who you seem to be it's about who you are, or at least should be. thats why people after cobaine died cut their hair off and started wearing doo rags or whtever. it's not about what everyone else is its about what you are. mungkay, try to open up your mind a little to the possibility that trying something you see on tv or read in a book or see in a movie isn't terrible as long as you get something out of it. that's what life is about. its about learning from experiences, good or bad and comming out on the other side with greater knowlege.

Im not going to trash corporate art and franchise coffee bars because I think project mayhem is cool. I'm not going to have a demolition derby in my back yard because I think Bam Margera is funny. Don't try to act so enlightened. and certainly don't try to force your enlightenment on other people through criticism. if you really understood my point in this thread than maybe you could realize that its not just about fighting or emulation. its about self expression and self discovery. You think that because I like the movie trainspotting I'm gonig to do heroin? or the terrance and phillip movie makes me want to light my farts on fire? no way, pal. don't spend so much time criticizing and open up a little.

Soundgarden rocks irelocus... rock & roll

After reading this thread, I say Mungkay has never been in a fight and that's why he's such a wuss about it.

well, [I]he[/I] says he has.

[i]hehehehehehehehehehehe[/i]

yeah a fight with his mom when he was like one and didn't want his diaper changed.

[QUOTE=dzudzu]After reading this thread, I say Mungkay has never been in a fight and that's why he's such a wuss about it.[/QUOTE]
you guys are saying "what's wrong with being in a fight" he's saying "what's wrong with not being in a fight". their both stupid questions. you're not asking their answer, you're just asking to hopefully make an ass outta someone. i know plenty of people who claim to have never been in a fight. they're normal people, and are comfortable with that fact. i know plenty of people who have been in fights, they're normal people, and are comfortable with that fact. so why try to argue that one's better than the other?

and this is the reason i stay out of these threads usually, they have very little substance to go on other than bickering over what's cooler/better. no big deal either way, just get on with your life...

if you'd read my posts, I'm not calling anything cool. I agree with mungkay on that point (read his sig.) I'm saying don't trash a newbie without a good reason, and this was not that good of a reason. withou fight club, most of us would not ber here online. so let's please stop trying to make this thread about what's cool/not cool. it's not about that.

there's no one here arguing about whether fighting is cool. it suits me just fine. if it doens't suit others, that's cool with me.

I mean, read what me and thrincubus are actually writing. we're talking about what makes you come alive. taking risks in somewhat controlled environment, like skydiving or bungee jumping or fighting in a club.

is this really that hard to understand?

skydiving is awesome. I did it for the first time this summer. everyone should do it. just ahd to throw that in there.

by the way, I agree with irelocus totally. cool, not cool, whatever, it doesn't matter. if you fight, kudos, if not, whatever. it's not about that. it's all about being true to yourself and trying new things. Peace Love Unity and Respect. shit like that.
if you can find community in a club that doesn't REALLY hurt anyone else, go for it. whether its a club where people fight or a peace rally do what is true to you. I'm not knocking anyone (even mungkay) for fighting or not fighting. but I will criticize him for putting down other people for liking something different. I know I'm new to this forum and I'm learning more about it and the people through searching it, but I don't mean any disrespect or hate or anything like that. I was just sharing an experience.

so... I decided to do some [I]dangerous[/I] things a while back. some of these may sound stupid to other, but screw them. I did this to conquer phobias.

In order to get over my fear of heights, I started rock climbing. I love it, but now it's hard to find people to go with me after graduating college.

To conquer my fear of needles, I started getting inked and pierced. I'm a work in progress.

I'd like to sky dive someday, but honestly, that'd be one hell of a big step for me.

IreLocus,

For solo Twin Cities bouldering try the stone wall by the James J. Hill House in St. Paul, near Cathedral Hill. Lots of folks screw around there to keep their skills up.

Also, pierce yourself...it's a whole other experience. Get some surgical grade needles from a friend in the healthcare business and go nuts!

There isn't anything wrong or right with getting in a fight.

[QUOTE=Jon Revolta]IreLocus,

For solo Twin Cities bouldering try the stone wall by the James J. Hill House in St. Paul, near Cathedral Hill. Lots of folks screw around there to keep their skills up.

Also, pierce yourself...it's a whole other experience. Get some surgical grade needles from a friend in the healthcare business and go nuts![/QUOTE]

wait, you mean all by myself pierce myself? cause I have. in high school I pierced my own nipples. it was an experience indeed.I didn't do it well, and the left one got ripped out, but I'm all healed and (I think I've said it before)
nipples grow back, so no worries.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]okay....

so, thrincubus, if you're still out there, I'd say start a fight club. there will always be people who discourage it, nuns, doctors, worried mothers, even some emasculated men. I say fuck 'em. don't let those who lack the guts to go out and do something dangerous to disover more about themselves stop you from your journey. if it's a fight club you want, then dammit, I say do it. and if you happen to meet one of those sad sorry excuses for men out there, I say free his mind. beat the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha! Your shots are as cheap as your mother, good sir!

um, that wasn't written to you genius. notice the address, [i] so, thrincubus...[/i]

I intended no insult to you, explicit or implied. well, except when I said genius. that was sarcasm.

[QUOTE=dzudzu]After reading this thread, I say Mungkay has never been in a fight and that's why he's such a wuss about it.[/QUOTE]

I last fought four years ago when I was still a bouncer. Broken nose that's still crooked on the left side, a minor consussion and a half pint of blood lost.

I didn't get in it to be cool, I did it because I was on the job and some guy weighing 150 soaking wet was getting the life choked out of him by someone twice his size.

So...uh yeah.

[QUOTE=Thrincubus]I think you missed my point. It wasn't about emulating people it was about putting an interesting idea into practice. If you look at the movie (the book as well) one of the main themes seems to be a relation of teenge angst to men in their thirties. it's acting out for attention and just for the sake of causing trouble. call it jouvinile, whatever you want it doesn't bother me. I did it because I hadn't been in a real fight before. I don't feel extra manly now because I've fought on various occasions but the security of being in an environment where win or lose it doesn't matter anymore is kind of comforting. you really learn a lot about yourself when you're put in difficult situations and when the sounds of screams are muffled from your ears because they're stuck between some guys armpit and his elbow it's pretty difficult.

on the point of the other kids parents getting upset, that was just my crude sarcasm and sense of humor that may not have come out the right way in written word. we never tood it really seriously, hell we didn't really have many rules other than some kids didn't like getting hit in the face. you also learn alot about respect for your peers.[/QUOTE]

See here's the thing: The reason I get so out of joint about stuff like this is because the majority of the time, people don't think for themselves, and nothing pisses me off more than that.

I see that you've done plenty of thinking on the subject, and I applaud you for it, and offer my apology to you were in any way offended by mine.

good I'm proud of you, because that's .. somewhat... what this thread is about. see it wasn't so hard after all.

I last fought in high school. I didn't start it. it wasn't too bad I guess, and I came out ahead with some bruises and a cut above my eye. I broke 2 of his ribs and his nose though. after that he quit hitting on my sister. not really sure what his deal was anyways. pickin on me that is. he hit on my sister because he had bad taste, but that's another story.

[i]viva le resistance![/i]

[QUOTE=ireLocus]good I'm proud of you, because that's .. somewhat... what this thread is about. see it wasn't so hard after all.[/QUOTE]

1) I've never been afraid to admit that I'm wrong.

2) You could learn something from Thrincubus...namely how to criticize with out being a dick.

3) Mark Twain first learned to ride a bicycle at age 55.

when I wrote that I was actually responding to the previous post about the fight. not the one after it. it makes more sense in context but I forgot to quote you. oh well.

and, to be honest, you're not in the best position to talk about criticizing "without being a dick" given what you've said in some of your posts here in this thread. sorry, but I don't feel in any way inclined to kiss someone's ass in order to get them to apologize to me for being a dick. and if in return, I sound like a dick, well too bad.

regardless, I've actually agreed with you several times, and even quoted you. take that how you like. if you want to see me as a dick, knock yourself out. I'm not here to worry about what everyone thinks about me. I've made a couple enemies so far, but I'm not all that worried about it. I mean, it'd be different if a mojority of members here lashed out at me, like with art_junkie or The Joker (RIP, uh... not!) you can't please everyone all the time, so why try?

Then instead of fighting each other with our...dickness(?) we should team up and rule this forum!

Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

[QUOTE=mungkay]See here's the thing: The reason I get so out of joint about stuff like this is because the majority of the time, people don't think for themselves, and nothing pisses me off more than that.

I see that you've done plenty of thinking on the subject, and I applaud you for it, and offer my apology to you were in any way offended by mine.[/QUOTE]

it's all good man. like i said, i got no beef, for lack of better words. I hear what your saying about all of it and your right about fighting being more serious than a lot of people take it. regardless, everyone has their own agenda and whatnot and will express it the way they want to.

ps, I've been a bouncer/bartender/barback whatever and gotten in a few nasty situations myself. It's a different scenario when its anger focused on that particular person.

PLUR

[QUOTE=mungkay]See here's the thing: The reason I get so out of joint about stuff like this is because the majority of the time, people don't think for themselves, and nothing pisses me off more than that.

I see that you've done plenty of thinking on the subject, and I applaud you for it, and offer my apology to you were in any way offended by mine.[/QUOTE]

I just kinda wished you hadn't jumped down someone's throat before seeing if they were thinkig for themselves. I agree with you that just immitating someone for no reason is stupid but you should have questioned his motives before you decided he was a stupid kid that just got his ideas from movies. It made us all get the wrong impression from you I think cause I thought you were one of those people that isn't into something so they try to make everyone else think being into it is wrong. Like those vegans who try to make us all think eating meat is bad.
whatever

Sorry mom.

mmmmm I love eating vegans.

er.. meat, I love meat.

Skydiving was a gas for me.

Caveat Emptor: I've seen ads for skydiving school that say it's 'safe, fun & easy to learn.' I wouldn't even call a school that makes that claim. It's dangerous, fun & has a few complexities that you'd better pay the fuck attention to during what will (if the school is responsibly run) be a 6-8 hour training course prior to a static-line jump. A friend who went with me (back in '94) still limps from an injury he sustained after doing something they told us not to do during class (a sharp turn in the final approach).

Even the school I jumped at closed after it was sued by the estate of an INSTRUCTOR who went into the dirt after 22 years of skydiving. He didn't set his auto-reserve, didn't pull his rip cord, but he did know what the hell he was doing. He event old us students that he had nightmares of falling to his death. If he could die doing it, you could too.

Would I do it again? Absolutely. Is it more dangerous than downhill skiing or scuba diving, I doubt it.

I only went once, but it was seriously one of the greatest experiences of my life. I can't wait to go again. i actually kind of related it a little bit to fight club (I know i sound just a little too obsessive but hear me out.)
once you're falling from 13000 feet and your life is completely in someone elses hands (i was tandom) all you can do is let go[I][/I] it's a fantastic feeling. kind of like how in fight club tyler just kept telling jack to just let go. you stop fearing things like mortality and are willing to take more risks.
maybe I'm loooking to far into it but it ment a lot to me.

[QUOTE=mungkay]Sorry mom.[/QUOTE]

It's ok this time but if you do it again you don't get desert.

[QUOTE=Thrincubus]I only went once, but it was seriously one of the greatest experiences of my life. I can't wait to go again. i actually kind of related it a little bit to fight club (I know i sound just a little too obsessive but hear me out.)
once you're falling from 13000 feet and your life is completely in someone elses hands (i was tandom) all you can do is let go[I][/I] it's a fantastic feeling. kind of like how in fight club tyler just kept telling jack to just let go. you stop fearing things like mortality and are willing to take more risks.
maybe I'm loooking to far into it but it ment a lot to me.[/QUOTE]

I would never go tandem unless the instructor was a hot chick. If I'm to be burried in the box my checks came in, I at least want to mingle flesh with a leggy red-head.

It is an interesting excercise for an atheist. No faith in God, but I trusted my life in a very concrete and absolute way to the guy who packed my parachute, the jumpmaster, my instructors, the static line itself, the auto-reserve (if the static line managed not to deploy the main 'chute) etc.

My favorite part was after the parachute was open and I'd checked to make sure I had a clear, open canopy (no line-over or any of that), and I got the ride down. Feet dangling 3,000 feet up. Flared the parachute, which basically halts you and then puts you into a fall forward, and the only sound I heard was my own pulse. You haven't lived until you'v heard the blood running through your brain.

There's a sub-sport of skydiving called 'cross country,' where you jump at high altitudes, 10,000 feet or so (above that you generally need oxygen supplements), and deploy the 'chute immediately. Get a good tail-wind, catch some thermals, you can cruise for miles that way. That's my thing, I don't give a shit for the freefall part, over too quickly (though it is amazing how many thoughts you can have between letting go of the strut of a Cesna and reaching the end of the static line). The ride down in the parachute was the deal for me.

I didnt make a fight club, but i once did something like the first fight in the movie. I asked a guy to hit me as hard as humanly possible. Palahniuk is right. You do feel more alive after it.

i agree. there is more to it than fighting. maintaining discipline and composure in a fight is different than suppressing your fear of being injured or being ferocious. actually that is a good fear if you like being alive and being ferocious is a something to avoid (a violent man will come to a violent end).

[QUOTE=mungkay]But it's both mindless imitation. You could just as easily discover these "perks" by discussing the movie, and thinking about what's being said and how it relates to you.

You can't, so assume the worst.[/QUOTE]
this is dead wrong. if talking and doing are the same thing then why can i talk about starting a successful business and making millions but i am not yet a millionaire? this is the best analogy i could come up with but i think you might be able to see the point.

[QUOTE=Thrincubus]I think you missed my point. It wasn't about emulating people it was about putting an interesting idea into practice. If you look at the movie (the book as well) one of the main themes seems to be a relation of teenge angst to men in their thirties. it's acting out for attention and just for the sake of causing trouble. call it jouvinile, whatever you want it doesn't bother me. I did it because I hadn't been in a real fight before. I don't feel extra manly now because I've fought on various occasions but the security of being in an environment where win or lose it doesn't matter anymore is kind of comforting. you really learn a lot about yourself when you're put in difficult situations and when the sounds of screams are muffled from your ears because they're stuck between some guys armpit and his elbow it's pretty difficult.

on the point of the other kids parents getting upset, that was just my crude sarcasm and sense of humor that may not have come out the right way in written word. we never tood it really seriously, hell we didn't really have many rules other than some kids didn't like getting hit in the face. you also learn alot about respect for your peers.[/QUOTE]
right on. by my interpretation of what you said here, facing any sort of difficult situation routinely is equivalent to starting/joining a fight club. the 'fighting' in fight club was mostly against one's own 'common sense' i think.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]the sad thing is, a threat to society is exactly what we need. even mungkay sig poses a threat to society:

no, I'm not neceassarily saying we should threaten all of society, all of civilization. But threaten conformity in whatever way you can. threaten social apathy. threaten "manufactured cool" threaten tree huggers [I]and [/I] suv drivers alike. get people to come out from behind their masks and show their faces for who they really are, not for who they try project themselves as.

don't apologize thrincubus. don't you dare. you don't need to please anyone here but yourself right now. (and I guess the site moderators, but they're hard to piss off)[/QUOTE]
what happens when you conform to non-conformity? perversion i guess. i think that's what mr. contrary is saying. i think being aware of what you are doing and why you are doing it is more important with non-conformity. resisting conformity just to be resisting is as bad (and much less profitable) than conforming without knowing the whys or whats.