The Tyler Durden hypocricy
"In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway."
I pasted the whole line from IMDB. But the line I'm thinking of is "You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life" Tyler dressed for function, it just so happened to be fashionable.
THIS...
IS....
SPARRRRTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
(somebody had to do it)
"To fail to embrace my dreams now would be a disgrace so great that sin itself would not be able to find a name for it." - Werner Herzog
Even if that somebody didn't realize there was a second page and that people were no longer quoting three-word lines...
I don't care.
"To fail to embrace my dreams now would be a disgrace so great that sin itself would not be able to find a name for it." - Werner Herzog
I think Tyler appears to Jack with fancy bad-ass sunglasses and nice fur coats and everything because the narrator has realized that all this anti-consumerist bullshit doesn't matter, it was just a distraction, and the only thing that matters is his own awareness that Tyler is an unrealistic ideal of the perfect paternal man in his life . . .
I agree; Tyler's clothing visually manifests Jack's perception of what Tyler stands for. In the beginning of his friendship with Jack, Tyler is dressed as the ultra-"macho" epitome of fashion-transcending grunge. Once Jack is disillusioned by Tyler's preoccupation with anti-wealth, the glorified male icon is reduced to a flamboyant (good word, VC) and senselessly self-indulgent entity. Tyler's later inclination to down-right showy clothes manifest his obsession with making statements instead of meaning them.
And several posts to the same effect: Interesting point, I hadn't thought about that.
I think Tyler earns the right to wear his gaudy outfits simply because he fully understands and accepts the things he speaks of. He doesn't let his khakis determine who he is and so he's free to wear khakis if he wants to.
Any yahoo can wear cheap clothes in defiance of the establishment, but it takes a man who's fully in control of his own life to wear whatever he wants without regard to any superstitions or taboos - even his own.
Imagination is my religion.
Hahaha, I would have if you didn't.
rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies
haha. Just like Al gore preaches about the o-zone layer, yet flies everywhere in a private jet, or how the smoker tells others never to smoke because it's bad for you, and addictive. They in effect are reinforcing what they're saying, solidifying their claim,illustrating that THEY THEMSELVES cannot escape these bounds. Yes hypocritical, but NOT contradictory. This just strengthens his contention. I'm really just paraphrasing from a magazine article which i failed to find on the internet to cite, but it explained how for years and years hypocricy has been one of the strongest and most suggestive devices in rhetoric.
So yes, he's hypocritical, but not in a "ha, you don't practice what you preach" sense, but more of an "overtly hyprocitical, as to reinforce his notions" sort of way.
The thing everyone here is missing is that the way he looks didn't used to be cool. Now, because of Fight Club and a hundred other movies, looking like a consignment store mannequin is the in thing to do. Cause if you break down what he wears through out the whole movie it is either made to last - which keeps to his word of resisting consumerism - or it could be found in the bottom of a bin at Goodwill or Sal's Army. Which also illustrates his idea of not paying more money into the Titanic. The look, the style, the ideals of not caring what he looks like all show very plainly in Tyler Durden. It just happened to be that Brad Pitt - the guy all of us would use for the bases of a better looking us - can make anything look hip, expensive and cool.
QFT.
Most of what Pitt wore in the film was 20 year old thriftstore finds.
This is true as well.
HIS NAME IS NOT JACK!!!
With regards to the Klein Bottle theory, if someone hides something in a room, and you don't know where it is, and for example you look in closet, the bottle technically is EVERYWHERE, except in the closet, because that is the only thing you can be sure of, and since you are not looking at everywhere else, it is technically everywhere. I'm horrible at explaining it, but it's very cool, check it out. Anyways, the same applies to the narrarators name. You can't say his name isn't Jack, because you don't know what his name is. Taking that into regard, his name IS Jack.
Thanks. I Really just wanted to plug "Klein Bottle".
When the last living thing Has died on account of us, How poetical it would be If Earth could say, In a voice floating up Perhaps From the floor Of the Grand Canyon, "It is done. People did not like it here"
Keep your stick on the ice.
Tyler Durden seems to have anti-materialism values as recognized in such quotes as:
“Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.”
“You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.”
“We're consumers. We are by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty, these things don't concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra.”
My question is, why is Tyler Durden seen wearing a retro leather jacket, a silk buttoned down collared shirt, sunglasses, black slacks, and tan loafers when he preaches against that kind of life style? Even when the narrator comes to the realization that they are the same person and Tyler takes on a new appearance, he is still seen in expensive and unneeded attire.
It's quite simple really. He's dressed like a hobo.
He is just sure not to be, shall we say, nasally offensive like a hobo.
There's no rhyme or reason to his attire. I don't see it as expensive, they look like thrift store crap.
Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.
at least thats what i got from it, ive been wrong plenty of times before
You can't be wrong with art. I think you offered a good analysis.
Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.
Jesus, I am sorry. The narrator, if that makes you feel better. Jack is just what most people call him. Christ allmighty.