It's Marlas fault
good morning guys!
In the film, jack says things like it's marlas fault or marla ruined everything.
tyler, fightclub - that was him, not her?
Or does he mean, that without her, his self-help groups would have helped him out enough so he never would have become tyler?
[QUOTE=freundchen;976823]good morning guys!
In the film, jack says things like it's marlas fault or marla ruined everything.
tyler, fightclub - that was him, not her?
Or does he mean, that without her, his self-help groups would have helped him out enough so he never would have become tyler?[/QUOTE]
You better start sniffin your rank subjugation, jack, because it's just you against your tattered libido, the bank, and the mortician forever man and it wouldn't be luck if you could get out of life alive.
Lately, I just blame everything on Richard Nixon.
Has anyone really paid attention to Marla and Norton in the film to see if she's also a figment of his imagination just like Tyler is? Is there ever a moment where the two of them together are carrying a conversation with a third person at the same time?
I had this brought up to me from someone at work, but not in that exact way, I thought about it that way and they really liked the idea, then both of us were discussing it and I closed it off deciding that Norton/Narrator is a very sad person if that were the case because he imagined himself fucking himself while he sat restless in the other room all the time.
I thought Marla was a figment of his imagination too, when I first saw the movie, but looking at the details it really doesn't make sense as an option.
In the ending of the movie, she's interacting with the Space Monkeys.
In the end of the book, she brings the self-help group to the building to plead with the narrator not to kill himself.
In both, the argument is presented that the narrator invented Tyler in order to project the qualities that he believed would attract Marla. Which they did. So Fight Club and Project Mayhem were just byproducts of the chaotic personality the narrator needed to get laid by Marla, making it -in some sense- her fault.
[QUOTE=UbikRex;977090]Is there ever a moment where the two of them together are carrying a conversation with a third person at the same time?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think she's real. When Jack and Her huge each other at the self help group, the group leader goes to them and say something. If Jack would huge nothing the group leader would have had reacted in another way, wouldn't she?
Yeah, and she was being dragged by the space monkeys at the end of the film.
I like to think that it wasn't Marla who started it all, I believe it was the doctor. You know, the doctor who recommended the narrator to visit the testicular cancer group. If the doctor never said anything about the support group, the narrator would never have met Marla in the first place.
[QUOTE=Nightrious;976933]You better start sniffin your rank subjugation, jack, because it's just you against your tattered libido, the bank, and the mortician forever man and it wouldn't be luck if you could get out of life alive.[/QUOTE]
Knockin on Heavens Door!! Old school.
Fuck Marla Singer.
[QUOTE=Razorkiller;984313]
I like to think that it wasn't Marla who started it all, I believe it was the doctor. You know, the doctor who recommended the narrator to visit the testicular cancer group. If the doctor never said anything about the support group, the narrator would never have met Marla in the first place.[/QUOTE]
that's like saying it was his parent's fault, for having him...well, not exactly like that but I'm terrible with examples. My point is, you shouldn't be able to blame someone for a reason like that, you shouldn't really be able to blame anyone but the narrator himself, it's noone else's fault that he is as fucked up as he is (unless you play the 'bad upbringing' card)
[QUOTE=freundchen;981495]Yeah, I think she's real. When Jack and Her huge each other at the self help group, the group leader goes to them and say something. If Jack would huge nothing the group leader would have had reacted in another way, wouldn't she?[/QUOTE]
Also, she sells someone else's jeans to the lady at the thrift store while Jack is arguing with her near the beginning of the movie. And near the end, the restaurant scene where she orders food, and he pulls the waiter aside and stresses [I]clean food[/I] and then when he shoves her on the bus and one of the space monkeys is driving the bus. So yeah, she's real, unless you want to go off into how this is the Supreme Comedy and Jack is really a figment of Marla's imagination and so on and so forth [B]it's a fucking book[/B] only Chuck knows for sure what the "truth" is, you can make up all you want, but on some level it's pretty much intellectual masturbation.
This is a really good idea.
i think she's real aswell, but her making human contact in the film isn't proof of that, so does Tyler, but later on we find out it was really the narrator.
If she was a figment of his imagination she should have quit the groups when he had, because her purpose was to interfere with his addiction. But she didn't quit the groups, so I assume she is real.
Yes.