Choke and the ref.(s) to can*er

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by squall [/i]
[B]Why so many ?

I was enjoying choke quite a lot until Chuck started dropping in all those references.

I have a real problem with that word and after losing someone to it, it';s not particulalry something I want to be reminded of.

The scene where Denny( ? ) describes to those kids about the chimney sweeps was horrible.

It put me off Chuck until Lullaby came out and I was relieved. [/B][/QUOTE]

Lighten up some, most of us here probably have lost someone to cancer.

I lost my grandfather, and i still loved choke and the references.

Yeah but, if you look for it there's a refrenece of it in almost every one of Chuck's novels. No one likes the word but you can't escape it.
At a reading that I was at last fall, I had asked Chuck who his favorite character that he had written was, and he said Denny from Choke. He went on to say that Denny's character was inspired by a friend, who had died of cancer.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by R0BB23 [/i]
[B]Lighten up some, most of us here probably have lost someone to cancer.

I lost my grandfather, and i still loved choke and the references. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry if i sounded self-important but i was just expressing my feelings.

I'm sorry if it sounded like that.

I was glad Lullaby was not as....explicit

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by squall [/i]
[B]I'm sorry if i sounded self-important but i was just expressing my feelings.

I'm sorry if it sounded like that.

I was glad Lullaby was not as....explicit [/B][/QUOTE]

Dont be sorry, be who you want to be and say what you want to say.

As you can tell, i do exactly that

though my earlier post came off harsher then i wanted it too.

You can't censor writing for the sake of feelings or you end up having an unrealistic flat piece of shite with no dynamics and no contrasts.
There has to be a bad guy to have a hero. etc, etc.

I don't think cancer should be a word that you censore to begin with. The uglier something is to society the more it should be dragged into the light. Chuck tends to pull things into the light that most wouldn't, It's why we love'em remember.

Robb23, you are right, with the 6 degrees of seperation shrinking this tragic disease is effecting more of us everyday. I'm sorry for any offenses ahead of time.

i lost someone to cancer myself. horribly. traumatically. but i'd never say that a book should have been written differently just to spare my feelings about it.

look, soon after my loss, i saw the movie "Powder" and couldn't handle the parts where the wife is lying in bed with an IV in her arm. So I looked away at first, and then finally left the theater. Then I watched it again at a later time and was able to appreciate it better. Why didn't you try that with Choke?

We can all learn an important lesson from cancer, it doesn't have to happen to us. Many many forms of cancer are caused by lifestyle choices (lung cancer is often caused by smoking, colon cancer is often caused by eating meat and dairy, skin cancer is caused by baking in the sun, breast cancer is also linked to dairy, eating healthy (low saturated fat / high fiber) will also reduce the risk of lung and prostate cancer). Thousands of scientists are searching for a cure, but the fact is we could lower it if only we adopted healthier lifestyle. You may be able to survive cancer if you catch it early, but if you've ever known someone who's gone through kemo, you know they have been through a lot of pain and suffering. Ignoring cancer won't make it go away, it will make it come back to haunt you again, guaranteed. Mr. Palahniuk is doing a great thing by bringing this disease out into the open. I lost a grandfather to cancer. Love those you lost, but learn from them, you and your family don't have to share the same fate.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]i saw the movie "Powder" and couldn't handle the parts where the wife is lying in bed with an IV in her arm. So I looked away at first, and then finally left the theater. Then I watched it again at a later time and was able to appreciate it better.[/B][/QUOTE]

...But.... The fact that the film was directed by a convicted child molester didn't bother you?

[url]http://www.vachss.com/mission/disney.html[/url]

(Just throwing fuel on the fire, Kitty; nothing against you, personally, here.)

i'm gonna sound like an asshole here, and maybe i am, but what's the big deal? cancer is pretty common, i've lost family to it. i guess i'm just surprised to hear about people leaving theater's and closing books. this isn't an issue of densensitization, either. if a person very recently lost someone to a similar thing being described, i can understand. my ex-girlfriend lost her sister and a week later we were watching the premiere of Six Feet Under and the dead girl in the beginning mader her flip out, and that was understandable; the funeral had been three days earlier. but to leave a theater because a movie shows cancer victims.... i just can't see that, you can't hide under your bed from shit like this, it's part of life.
squall, i'm seriously not ragging on you, i'm really not, i just don't understand, not ever being one to get so upset over anything. is this an 'out of sight, out of mind' thing or what? and once again, if you have an aversion to reading about disease's and injuries and such, don't fucking read Chuck Palahniuk! seriously! he is not for hypocondriac's or psychosomatics!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tuffy the Dump Truck [/i]
[B]...But.... The fact that the film was directed by a convicted child molester didn't bother you?

[url]http://www.vachss.com/mission/disney.html[/url]

(Just throwing fuel on the fire, Kitty; nothing against you, personally, here.) [/B][/QUOTE]

Did he not serve his time?

Unlike another director i can think of.

who cares if he served his time? he's a fucking child molester. he's not a dude who stole groceries when his family needed food. he's a fucking goddam child molesting pervert who forced a goddam 10 YEAR OLD BOY to suck him off! you can't redeem yourself for that shit by sitting in prison for ten years. subjecting yourself to 12 hours of genital torture and then blowing your own head off doesn't redeem you for that shit. sorry, i get a little riled up over these issues.......
who's the other director, by the way?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by izen [/i]
[B]who cares if he served his time? he's a fucking child molester. he's not a dude who stole groceries when his family needed food. he's a fucking goddam child molesting pervert who forced a goddam 10 YEAR OLD BOY to suck him off! you can't redeem yourself for that shit by sitting in prison for ten years. subjecting yourself to 12 hours of genital torture and then blowing your own head off doesn't redeem you for that shit. sorry, i get a little riled up over these issues.......
who's the other director, by the way? [/B][/QUOTE]

Its not exactly about redemption, its more about his right to rejoin soceity. Yes he'll always will be a convicted child molester but he served his time and now he gets his second chance.

All of us here have done horrible things in our lifes, worse then stealing groceries, dont we deserve a second chance after we paid our dues?

He served fifteen months. I guess that's the fee for sucking ten-year old cock nowadays.

Robb23's referring to Roman Polanski who raped a 14 year-old, was convicted, and fled the country to France, who protects and reveres him.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tuffy the Dump Truck [/i]
[B]He served fifteen months. I guess that's the fee for sucking ten-year old cock nowadays.

Robb23's referring to Roman Polanski who raped a 14 year-old, was convicted, and fled the country to France, who protects and reveres him. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well the proper time served is a different story, that is the government for you. :rolleyes:

Though you also have to remember hes on a convicted sex offenders database now. Not to say he still shouldnt of served more time but, just that you cant forget hes got to do that whole thing now too.

Oooooh, a [i]database[/i]! That'll learn him. They shoulda cut his head off and hung it on a fence.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tuffy the Dump Truck [/i]
[B]Oooooh, a [i]database[/i]! That'll learn him. They shoulda cut his head off and hung it on a fence. [/B][/QUOTE]

This coming from a perfect human being i guess?

i'm on your side on this one, Tuffy. kill the bastard. i know, i know, we all make mistakes. i've broken laws before, but i never molested no 10 year old boy. there are degree's of mistakes, and degree's of perversion. i don't condemn rape either, and although i love Roman Polanski's movies, they should've beat his ass into the ground for that.
i know the law's say this and the law's say that, but i've never considered the law as a set of moral guidelines. moral guidelines are SUPPOSED to define laws and prison terms. crime is one thing, sexual crime is an entirely different thing. that's my opinion on the matter, so databases and time served mean nothing in my mind.

On the count of childrape, yes, I have a perfect score of zero compared to one each for Polanski and Salva. That arguement doesn't really hold up; why not let Sirhan Sirhan go free because Aunt Tilly jaywalked last week?

How many chances should rapists get? The recidivism rate for convicted child molesters, while varied depending on the study, can range as high as 60 - 80%.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tuffy the Dump Truck [/i]
[B]On the count of childrape, yes, I have a perfect score of zero compared to one each for Polanski and Salva. That arguement doesn't really hold up; why not let Sirhan Sirhan go free because Aunt Tilly jaywalked last week?

How many chances should rapists get? The recidivism rate for convicted child molesters, while varied depending on the study, can range as high as 60 - 80%. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well obviously if we fixed our laws so they served proper time, like i said i dont like the fact he served only a year and change anymore then you, that number would most likely go down. Everyone deserves a second chance if of course their not like the recent killer who was put to death who said he did not regret what he did. So obviously if hes walking around going i dont regret i had sex with that child, he doesnt deserve to be released.

As far as the recidivism rate, thats about the same for most criminals. Most criminals will commit a crime again, statistic wise.

But thats a whole nother story of the reform our prison systems need.:rolleyes: