Survivor really sucked...

no, fuck YOU

Repetitive how?
Repetitive like this?
Repetitive like this?
Okay, I'm not gonna go down this road...

Seriously, elaborate.

If you didn't like the repetitiveness, I would recommend that you don't read any more of Chuck's books.

If he means the horses, I'm with you, Jane.
But, otherwise, he could have something all to himself there.

Actually...Sean, how many you read?

I myself really like the repetitiveness...to me it's one thing that makes a Palahniuk book a Palahniuk book. You might get all confused or not understand where things are going, but then there's a 5 word phrase from earlier in the story, and you're grounded again. That's how I look at it.

Repetitivness is a common theme in many books. It helps to set the mood and helps others refer back to certain points in the story that have to deal with the current point in a story.
Also, I just finished reading Survivor just yesterday and I have to say that it was magnificent. But if that book is not your style that, how is it that you like all the other books? Have you really read all of his other books? They're all like that, it's part of Palahniuk's style.

my guess is seamanning really did like Survivor, and he just made this thread to get a rise out of people.

i do like repetitiveness

i was gonna repeat what i just said in a second post but then i realized that was stupid

It took me two times to realise that...
Goddamn it, you have more sense than I do.

touche

I understand the repetitiveness of Chuck's books. Survivor just over did it for me. Perhaps it was just a product of a longer novel, atleast compared to Fight Club. I tend to enjoy short stories more then novels. Towards the end, when the plot started to move faster, it seemed that each chapter would start as a delay going back to the housecleaning. The non fiction (head material) of Survivor just didnt work for me. The jokes about cleaning up blood were funny at the beginning, but towards the end I just wanted it to end. The pastic flower bit just missed me completely. There were some good parts, particularly: the ending, the idea behind the suicide hotline, and the pornography dump.

i've read fight club a couple times, and i own choke/invisible monsters but have only read the first couple pages of each.

maybe my opinion has been effected from having read so much hemingway lately. I just felt that Survivor could have been a 'tighter' read, especially in the middle.

who knows, maybe chucks editors/publishers demand a longer novel?

heh

i just read the spolier thread above.

interesting shit. guess i'll have to reread it and fall madly in love creating a million different scenerios...

fucking hell........

I will admit myself it could have been a little shorter, the flower thing was dragged out a bit, but overall it was one of CP's best.

_Max

Survivor = probably my least favorite.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Survivor = probably my least favorite.[/QUOTE]
Not to cross with the Dump Truck, but Survivor is one of my favorites.

This opinion might be tainted by the fact that I read the novel while a passenger on an airplane...

That would have helped, I think.

I can't agree. I love the way Chuck uses useless or in this case useful trivia when he creates his characters. It seems repetitive but I think we all are potentionally repetative as we are all limited to our own experiences. That I believe is the secret to Chuck's ability in making the unbelievable believable (in a story line sense).

Interesting you say that. At the moment I'm reading it - somewhere between the middle and the end. Not bad seeing I bought it yesterday and have only been reading it on the train.

At first it kind of lost me - I mean I was actually considering taking it back and grabbing [I]Lullaby[/I] or something. I've read [I]Lullaby[/I], but that was a while ago. At first the suicide thing didn't sit well with me.

But it picked up - and now I'm loving it. The agent and Tender's attitude to the whole situation... amazing. Different for sure. Out of the Palahniuk books I've read I can't really pinpoint any high or low points - as much as they all have similarities I'd say they're all unique.

This was perhaps his first main character that struck me as really, really morbid.

People by nature are repetitive. And as was mentioned earlier, that is part of Palahniuk's writing.

The repetitive nature of Palahniuk's books isn't what bothers me. I read Fight Club three times and then read Choke and i read it twice(It's my favorite.) Then i read Survivor and it has taken the second place spot on my list of best books. But what bothers me, is all the books feel a little much the same. Maybe it's the writing style or the fact that i read the books so much and consecutively and burned myself out for a while. I bought Lullaby, and Invisible Monsters. I read about half of Lullaby and decided it wasn't worth a read right now, and i started on IM yesterday. I'm gonna take a break and get back to my own writing for a while.

Your neighbourly forum bot.

i love chuck's repetitiveness, his choruses that make events from earlier on in the book seem like they somehow come together with this new event that you just read that might not have made so much sense until after you see the connection.

the fault i found in survivor was that it wasn't as tight of a plot line though, with him going from a nobody, a last member of a cult to this famous religious figure. it just didn't flow well, it seemed a little out of place, a bit odd. i realize that a lot of his stuff is odd like that, but it seems that the conversion from fight clubs to project mayhem or the working job in lullaby to the road finding books in libraries and homes destroying them made more sense and flowed together better than the survivor transition.

i still liked survivor a lot, but i think so far(fight club, survivor, lullaby, beginning of choke, beginning of invisible monsters) that lullaby is my favorite one. thats this far however, and i'm hoping to finish invisible monsters, read diary and then re-read and finish choke.

Okay I just finished it this morning - it just kept getting better and better. The ending was great!

[I]Lullaby[/I] took me a bit to get into as well. Same with [I]Invisible Monsters[/I]. But after around the half way point, like with [I]Survivor[/I], I decided they were great. Speaking of which, I bought myself [I]Invisible Monsters[/I] this morning and I'm re-reading it.

When you say that Survivor sucked, you meant the television show, right?

[QUOTE=Batman]When you say that Survivor sucked, you meant the television show, right?[/QUOTE]
Two chits to Batman, good call.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Survivor = probably my least favorite.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.

Although Diary might be tied for that slot. I just didn't really "get" either of them.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Survivor = probably my least favorite.[/QUOTE]

So far, Survivor has probably been my least favorite, too. I still liked Survivor, but it was harder for me to really get into. My favorite is still Choke (I haven't finished Invisible Monsters yet, but I've heard it wasn't the best). I noticed that a lot of people who loved Choke didn't like Survivor as much, and vice versa. Not sure of the two books are just too different from one another, but it seems like the two are always at opposite ends, at least with people I've talked to.

Survivor is the most incisive into American culture I would say. but it has the probalem of telling not showing at times, which is usually not a good read. too many chapters felt like Chuck was leading me through a summary rather than showing me the actual scene. Also, too many were rough sketches, like they were not fully thought out before he put them on the page.

But the ideas and the satire are dead on, and for that I think it ranks as one of his strongest.

I think it's his most critically acclaimed book, is it not?

[QUOTE=RandomThought]Agreed.

Although Diary might be tied for that slot. I just didn't really "get" either of them.[/QUOTE]

What was not to get about Survivor? It was one of the best next to Choke or Invisible monsters. I haven't read Diary yet so i don't know about that one.

Weak book, indeed.

Length wasn't its problem, though; it may have actually been better were it longer. Chuckles tried to cram too much in.

i actually think survivor is my favorite

my only remote beef is that i never could picture tennor properly

[QUOTE=SeanManning]had to get that off my chest....

Think it would've been better if it was about 25% shorter. Just got way to repetitive. That plastic flower shit in the beginning didnt jive with me either...[/QUOTE]
how about this....
go fuck yourself?
*laughs like small child* ahheheheh