Mistake
The sad smiley is mostly for me -i never thought I'd be the kind of reader who looks for inconsistencies in a book they like.
But since I've been forced to do a very very close reading of [I]Survivor[/I], I came across this one, and I'm gonna share:
"In front of me is Crypt 678, Trevor Hollis, age twenty-four, survived by his mother and father and his sister." (253)
" 'Our mom killed herself because she had the same kind of dreams,' Fertility says. 'Suicide is an old family tradition for us.' "(213)
Not that it matters. 
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I don't think so. Tender visited the crypt, what, a week after Trevor died? Fertility tells him about the death of her mother about a week after they first met. If her mother had died during these 2 weeks, I believe that Fertility would have talked about it differently. It's not impossible, mind you. I just think that Chuck mentioned the mother in the grieving relatives out of momentum, then forgot about that and 'suicided' her later.
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good eye lupus, not many people would catch that. probably is just a mistake.
Chuck... make a mistake in one of his books? That's unpossible!
of course, because chuck's a super human person.
i hear that he never sleeps
i hear that he sprinkles his pancakes with poison to build up his tolerence.
i hear that he is responsible for the crop circles.
i hear that he sold his soul for a free liver and onion dinner(beverage not included).
Why on earth would one sell his soul for a free liver and onion dinner(beverage not included)? I mean, it's [i]free[/i]?
Perhaps I need to go back to bed, because that was so fucking funny I'm crying.
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[B]good eye lupus, not many people would catch that. probably is just a mistake. [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't usually scrutinise things that much. But because of the bloody essay I've read every Chucky novel again and again (gooood!) keeping notes and jotting down stuff (baaaad!).
Hence questions like Marla & phone calls, and whatever else I might ask in the future.
Help a poor student and give me your opinion.
And I will credit the Cult in my acknowledgements
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Why on earth would one sell his soul for a free liver and onion dinner(beverage not included)? I mean, it's free?
well why would he make crop circles? why would he build up his immunity to poison?
because he can, that's why.[img]http://nowff.hypermart.net/gfx/foy_1002_04.jpg[/img]
But there are valid reasons to build up your resistance to poison and for making crop circles. There is no valid reason to eating liver and onions (free or otherwise.) Everyone knows you eat liver with bacon.
ok then, let me simplify my previous response.
because he can.
He borrowed Michael J. Fox's Dolorean one time and shot Kennedy then he went back to shoot Oswald so the case would never be solved and he will forever go as being "innocent"
"Excuse me sir, Did you wash your hands after you took that big heaping dump. You know that sign, that sign says ALL employees MUST wash their hands after using the restroom, What part of that do you not understand?"- Malcom X
"Would you care to lick my sweaty baulz after they have been dipped in the finest venerial juices and sauteed in my own ass-sweat, madam?"- Winston Churchill
I heard he sleeps not just upside down, but DOUBLE upside down! Who the hell does that!
In the words of a true Chuck fan:
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I heard he and Dick Clark get together on the weekends to eat new born babies so they can be immortal for all eternity.
"Excuse me sir, Did you wash your hands after you took that big heaping dump. You know that sign, that sign says ALL employees MUST wash their hands after using the restroom, What part of that do you not understand?"- Malcom X
"Would you care to lick my sweaty baulz after they have been dipped in the finest venerial juices and sauteed in my own ass-sweat, madam?"- Winston Churchill
This may be playing the devil's advocate, but....its another view
Fertility is omnipotent...right???? Everywhere and anywhere...
Maybe the mother is too? Alive and dead?
Nope, Fertility is not omnipotent... just omniscient.
I'd enjoy an undead mother - of course Trevor would have to be undead as well and things could get delightfully complicated. But I really don't think this is the case.
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heh...that was the word i was looking for....
i guess theres a big diff between everywhere and anywhere, and the ability to do anything...
my bad.
Oh well...I don't have the book...loaned it out a couple years ago..never saw it again....so that was just by vague memory. Gotta see about buying that one again.
thats more a glipse than a mistake. well noticed and you must have read the book for mistakes to notice that lol
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[QUOTE=McWatt]This may be playing the devil's advocate, but....its another view
Fertility is omnipotent...right???? Everywhere and anywhere...
Maybe the mother is too? Alive and dead?[/QUOTE]
I think you are confusing omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
omnipotent = all powerful
omniscient = all knowing
omnipresent = present everywhere simultaneously
Fertility was supposedly omniscient or all knowing which is in itself wrong. She may have had dreams where she saw future events but thats a far cry from being omniscient.
You know it's kind of funny that things get this technical.
If I die today, I will be survived by three sisters a mother and father. Even though my mother is dead, my stepmother is not.
Families are so big and intricate that they can't be easily explained in black and white. I'm not saying that a mistake wasn't made or was made; I'm just saying that when it comes to something like a family I am more forgiving for possibility than I am unforgiving on credibility.
He holds it for a breath at waist level and turns it once for assessment. The steel barrel and along its chassis is oiled in an off shade of red, the blood smeared and somewhat caked on. In parts, it resembles a stillborn, a dark fetal horse that is all legs and wet skin.
maybe the mom killed herself when they were kids, and they were adopted by the living parents mentioned?? with all the editing, its possible to create a mistake like that might have made sense in an earlier draft.
Oh who am I kidding, this completely ruins the book for me now, Survivor sucks!!
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[QUOTE=umop ap!sdn]maybe the mom killed herself when they were kids, and they were adopted by the living parents mentioned?? with all the editing, its possible to create a mistake like that might have made sense in an earlier draft.
Oh who am I kidding, this completely ruins the book for me now, Survivor sucks!![/QUOTE]
i need to just say, this person has THE most entertaining screenname i've seen.
it had to be said.
i heard that he was born in a mental institution and only sleeps... one hour a night...
sorry- i couldnt resist
please dont tell me Chuck is a mere mortal--
<------won't tell you.
He holds it for a breath at waist level and turns it once for assessment. The steel barrel and along its chassis is oiled in an off shade of red, the blood smeared and somewhat caked on. In parts, it resembles a stillborn, a dark fetal horse that is all legs and wet skin.
[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]i heard that he was born in a mental institution and only sleeps... one hour a night...
sorry- i couldnt resist
please dont tell me Chuck is a mere mortal--[/QUOTE]
he is a mere mortal....
...with x-ray vision, and a tolerance for driving metal pegs through his wrists.
maybe her mom is going to kill herself later in her life and fertility just got a "glipse" of it in one of her dreams
i'm gonna eat your children!
or maybe it was just a honest mistake he forgot about,
honestly i found a few typos in the book, and since i dont read very often it amused me for a mear 5 seconds
a.d.d. i think not
i think that is for...wait, i smell chicken
i procrastinate
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[QUOTE=lupus]The sad smiley is mostly for me -i never thought I'd be the kind of reader who looks for inconsistencies in a book they like.
But since I've been forced to do a very very close reading of [I]Survivor[/I], I came across this one, and I'm gonna share:
"In front of me is Crypt 678, Trevor Hollis, age twenty-four, survived by his mother and father and his sister." (253)
" 'Our mom killed herself because she had the same kind of dreams,' Fertility says. 'Suicide is an old family tradition for us.' "(213)
Not that it matters. :)[/QUOTE]
This isn't a mistake if you take in to account the whole 'Tender Lives and is the real muderer' ending. If you accept that ending, than the entire thing is Tender making up lies in order to attempt to clear his name. So this isn't a mistake on Chuck's part, but rather on the continuity of Tender's lies.
You're all crazy, Chuck could never write something wrong, NEVER, I tells ya, NEVER!
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[QUOTE=tad_fitzsimmins]maybe her mom is going to kill herself later in her life and fertility just got a "glipse" of it in one of her dreams[/QUOTE]
I agree. If Fertility can foresee things, maybe she's seen her mother die in the future, and merely suggesting as if it's already happened. The only flaw in this logic is how she keeps saying "going to" in reference to future things. "Killer bees are [B]going to[/B] attack Dallas, Texas in a week."
More than likely, a mistake on Chuck P's part.
someone should ask Chuck about this in the next round of questions.
[QUOTE=pylontaylor]This isn't a mistake if you take in to account the whole 'Tender Lives and is the real muderer' ending. If you accept that ending, than the entire thing is Tender making up lies in order to attempt to clear his name. So this isn't a mistake on Chuck's part, but rather on the continuity of Tender's lies.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Tender is a murderer in the alternative ending either. I believe he is telling the truth up to the point he has figured a way out. If he was a real serial killer and everything he dictated to the recoder is a lie, that would somehow discredit the whole book instead of just the ending.
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Don't have the book in front of me to check facts, but can we assume that Trevor died before his mother?