When was Tyler created?

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jo821
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Hi everyone, it's my first topic here.
I've just finished reading FC for the second time and I was paying more attention to details. It's not majorly important, just something I'd like to read your thoughts on.

Tyler manifests himself when the Narrator falls asleep, right? And he gets the feeling he never fell asleep, so he thinks he's insomniac.

But when was Tyler really created?

I don't think it was at the beach. In that chapter, the Narrator says "Tyler had been around for a long time before we met". When Tyler appeared at the beach, it was the first time the two personalities actually met, I think.

Apart from that quote, I think it would make sense for the Narrator to become Tyler beforfe being aware of his existence. Tyler may be a split personality, but he's a "person" like any other: he needed to establish contact with other people, get a job (the projectionist gig), find his identity, however well the Narrator had it defined in his subconcious.

Prior to the present story, the Narrator thought he had been suffering from insomnia for two years. This would mean Tyler had been around for two years, which would make sense if you believe what I wrote above.
But then, the Narrator started going to support groups, and he said he started sleeping again. What does this mean? Was he Tyler when he was asleep anyway? Did him sleeping well mean that Tyler was happy or something? Or was going to support groups and "losing all hope" some kind of Tyler-inhibitor?

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Precisely.

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monkeywright wrote:
Precisely.

You mean the last option? Going to support groups stopped Tyler from manifesting?
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I don't like to discuss the meaning of my posts, I leave it up to the fans to interpret them on their own.

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hahaha..........dick

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That's not constructive at all.

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jo821 wrote:
I think it would make sense for the Narrator to become Tyler beforfe being aware of his existence.

To clarify, I think Tyler was always there, he just needed a little help coming out.

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I never thought of it like that. Tyler getting pissed off because the narrorator was getting real sleep.nice.

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I never thought of it like that. Tyler getting pissed off because the narrator was getting real sleep.nice.

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I like the Calvin and Hobbes theory better. Tyler was his childhood friend who went away and then came back when he started hating his life Smile Big

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jugal, you make it sound so adorable!

I think that each of Jo's theories are equally possible. But who knows what Tyler's ever thinking? That just adds to the allure of the book, and of the character himself. we can never be inside his mind, just as the narrator can't either.

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"I know why Tyler occurred. Tyler loved Marla. From the very first night I met her, Tyler or some part of me had needed a way to be with Marla."

but then yeah it says "Tyler had been around a long time before we met."
but then, maybe this is a long time after he first met Marla. there's no real time line in the story, so it could be.

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