Fight Club = Bhagavad Gita
well, thanks for telling US what fight club IS and ISNT
that pretty much throws self interpretation out the window
douche
[QUOTE=spacemonkey1888]i take physics....i hate physics
i cant find something more tedious and obnoxious
oh and please no more censorship
FUCKING not f'kking[/QUOTE]
Physics is nothing more than the New Age guru. It is a guru because it does everything that the gurus of old did, and then some. Physics works better than do the gurus of old because it does not need all the needless verbiage of gods and their FUCKING scriptures.
So anyone who gets physics supremely simple-message can be self-realized. It is that simple.
This includes the devil himself. And this means that a criminal and pervert can be just as self-realized as is/was Buddha or Jesus but only if they get the simple-message that makes physics a guru.
And so it follows that this simple-message is far more likely to self-realize an idiot than it can a fanatic who is consumed with beating all the FUCKING verbiage in the bible to death.
Tyler
Did physics make your name "Tyler"?
And if idiots are more likely to recieve this "simple message" then why are smart people so much less annoying than idiots are?
And what about the question I asked earlier which you completely ignored: [B][I]what if you're wrong?[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=spacemonkey1888]well, thanks for telling US what fight club IS and ISNT
that pretty much throws self interpretation out the window[/QUOTE]
The SUPREME COMEDY is that I and US and WE are one and the same... just like Tyler and the Narrator are one and the same
You, the Narrator, are bitching to your INNER SELF that IT leaves you, the ego, no room for interpretation.
It should be the other way around.
The ego, Narrator, is nothing but thoughts so fuck it: let it bitch all it wants so Heaven itself, the INNER SELF – the OSERVER of the MOVIE – can laugh, enjoy the movie .
Tyler
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[QUOTE=Adelheid]Did physics make your name "Tyler"?
And if idiots are more likely to recieve this "simple message" then why are smart people so much less annoying than idiots are?
And what about the question I asked earlier which you completely ignored: [B][I]what if you're wrong?[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
haha! Weird. I was just about to quote you since he never answered that question.
I suppose there's no [I]wrong[/I] because we are his illusion of wrong-no? I still think it's [I][B][COLOR=Cyan]solipsism[/COLOR][/B][/I], yes it's Monism, but it can [I][B][COLOR=Red]also [/COLOR][/B][/I]be seen as solipsism.
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Did physics make your name "Tyler"?
And if idiots are more likely to recieve this "simple message" then why are smart people so much less annoying than idiots are?
And what about the question I asked earlier which you completely ignored: [B][I]what if you're wrong?[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
In a dream there is no I or YOU that can be right or wrong. IN a dream there is no doer. There is nobody doing anything in a dream. In the movie Fight Club nobody is doing anything – it is just a movie.
[B]SO TOO IN LIFE [/B]-- there is no doer that can be right or wrong, only the words/thoughts that make up the dream/life.
So the Supreme Comedy of this "life" is that you are asking yourself: "what if your wrong?" ([B]The Narrator is asking Tyler: what if your wrong[/B]?)
And the Comedy is that since you are asking yourself this question you can answer the fucking question any fucking way you want because in a dream, like the Fight Club, and so too in life: it makes no difference what the answer is -- and that is the Supreme Comedy.. Only the fight that brings us together -- unites us into a Fight Club -- only the fighting matters.
SO FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE -- even religions and society and morals, even life and death -- BECAUSE ONLY THE FIGHTING MATTERS.
-=-
As for questions: I do not go around the internet looking to answer questions. I am far too busy FIGHTING to recruit new CLUB members -- BECAUSE ONLY THE FIGHTING MATTERS. So if you want to FIGHT then a private message might just be the answer that will allow you to beat the living shit out of yourself… like Narrator v’s Tyler.
Tyler
(I am Tyler because I am absolutely certain that you are the same hallucination to me as I AM to YOU. And when you figure that out you will die laughing because you too will not only be Tyler but also the Narrator and everything else that is imaginable. )
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]BECAUSE ONLY THE FIGHTING MATTERS.
-=-
[/QUOTE]
Wow. A full-blown Fight Club fundumentalist.
VP - Workshop Dog
I’m very stupid. Pardon me. I can't help it.
I just realized that the Fight Club I saw was not the same Fight Club movie all you movie savants saw.
The Fight Club movie I saw was all about fighting. In this movie, that I saw, nothing but fighting was important. It was so important that nothing else mattered. [B]Society, justice, the law, gods and religions could all get fucked because, in this movie, only fighting mattered[/B].
And this movie Fight Club, that I saw, was the Supreme Comedy because all this fighting was over nothing, and then some. Not only was all this fighting over nothing but there was no fighting.
[B]The whole fucking movie was about all the imaginary fighting it took for the Narrator to figure out that he was fighting nothing but a hallucination[/B].
It took him the whole movie to figure it out, and that was the end of the movie, just as if it was a dream, and just like life. Once he figured it out he was good as dead.
There is/was absolutely nothing else worth taking about in the movie, that I saw, because the only thing that mattered was/is the fighting, and its JOKE, the Supreme Comedy: [B]the only thing that mattered was the fighting, when there was no fighting and it was over nothing[/B].
The only reason I go one with these words is to make a promise: I will give all the talents and tools to the one who laughs the loudest at this Supreme Comedy. I will give these talents and tools so the loudest Laughter can write a book, and then make a movie, that will make the Fight Club just as meaningless as the Fight Club makes the Bhagavad Gita. I promise.
But first the laughter.
Your trusty hallucination
Tyler Durden.
Dude...this is the books forum. For Fight Club, the book.
Book book book.
Wow. I guess this Supreme Comedy is just much too funny for me...?
Anyway, if you're wrong, doesn't that mean that there is, in fact, a wrong, and you're it? And then if you're right, there isn't a wrong, and you're not. So if you're right, you're very right, and if you're wrong, you're very wrong, and if you're right, there is no wrong...but why does all of this matter if you can't even spell the word "you're"?
One more thing: if only the fighting matters, where does the physics tie into it? Is it the physics of fighting? Isn't fighting yourself "physically" impossible?
I'm not trying to pick a fight [aha ha.] with you, and I'm sorry if it sounded like I was, I just don't quite understand your theory and want some things cleared up.
Wait, I answered slowly.
I thought you said earlier, though, that the comeradery was also important? Or was that somebody else?
[QUOTE=Vendetta]Dude...this is the books forum. For Fight Club, the book.
Book book book.[/QUOTE]
If it so important to you that the book is different from the movie then beat the shit out of me because I don’t give a crap.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]If it so important to you that the book is different from the movie then beat the shit out of me because I don’t give a crap.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT[/QUOTE]
Shut up, dude.
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Wait, I answered slowly.
I thought you said earlier, though, that the comeradery was also important? Or was that somebody else?[/QUOTE]
No, you're right. He did earlier espouse the comeraderie as a supreme value. But how can anyone have comrades if one is ever and always the center of all experience in the universe, and everything (and everyone) else is an illusion? The answer is, you can't. A basic notion like love of comrades becomes incomprehensible once you accept this fundumentally incoherent doctrine.
VP - Workshop Dog
I'm tired of pretentious(sp) assholes that talk about movie adaptation of books now and hearing
Stranger 1: I just saw fight club on dvd the other day it was awesome
Stranger 2: I like the book better.
fucking wannabe intellectual superior fuckheads. Next time someone makes that remark in person I'm just going to respond with "well this was quicker to watch and more entertaining! You telling me you rather read about explosions and sex as oppose to seeing explosions and sex? Granted a movie like xXx probably would make for a greater comical read if it was originally a novel adapted to film. Fuck off shitdick."
well...mostly something like that.
[QUOTE=UbikRex]I'm tired of pretentious(sp) assholes that talk about movie adaptation of books now and hearing
Stranger 1: I just saw fight club on dvd the other day it was awesome
Stranger 2: I like the book better.
fucking wannabe intellectual superior fuckheads. Next time someone makes that remark in person I'm just going to respond with "well this was quicker to watch and more entertaining! You telling me you rather read about explosions and sex as oppose to seeing explosions and sex? Granted a movie like xXx probably would make for a greater comical read if it was originally a novel adapted to film. Fuck off shitdick."
well...mostly something like that.[/QUOTE]
No-one here said anything like that but now you mention it I would rather read about things than see them in films. I don't see how preferring books to films is pretentious.
You're right no one did. I was just trying to muck up the discussion. But I'd like to read xXx in written form. It has comical possibilities.
[QUOTE=Vendetta]No-one here said anything like that but now you mention it I would rather read about things than see them in films. I don't see how preferring books to films is pretentious.[/QUOTE]
The great thing about books is YOU are the director. If you have a great imagination, it's like having an unlimited budget to realize the work any way you want.
VP - Workshop Dog
[QUOTE=vigorous puppy]The great thing about books is YOU are the director. If you have a great imagination, it's like having an unlimited budget to realize the work any way you want.[/QUOTE]
That's just what I was thinking only I didn't have a clever director comment to make so I just left it. Everything in my mind is so much richer, more detailed and involving than watching someone else's vision unfold on a screen. I do love films but there's really no comparison.
[QUOTE=Vendetta]Dude...this is the books forum. For Fight Club, the book.
Book book book.[/QUOTE]
thank you my lady..
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]If it so important to you that the book is different from the movie then beat the shit out of me because I don’t give a crap.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT[/QUOTE]
Ok, you'r turning into a jerk, don't post for the passion of nothing. Stop feeding into it guys if it's just going to turn into a binge of antagonism, which I suppose he wants.
[QUOTE]beat the shit out of me because I don’t give a crap[/QUOTE]
Are you lost, tired, sad, lonely or what have you? cause this makes no sense.
And where [I]is[/I] he? He's so sure of himself he shouldn't have any trouble answering those questions I asked, but either he's gone or ignoring them.
i lost interest in this thread very quickly. i still don't understand the connection between the two books he was trying to make.
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Wait, I answered slowly.
I thought you said earlier, though, that the comeradery was also important? Or was that somebody else?[/QUOTE]
-- the comedy, Laughter, the Joke, is the camaraderie, the Joy of being ONE.
The movie is the Supreme Comedy because once you get the joke: fighting is everything, over nothing, and no fighting… once the laughing starts then there are no limits to how deep this comedy goes.
For example. Fighting usually divides and is destructive to unity.
In the movie, however, the more the fighting the more it unified not only the fighters but the CLUB.
The fighting created a UNITY that everything on gods earth tells us the fighting should have destroyed and not create …. and the fighting not only created unity but this unity, the CLUB, spread across the country, world, universe in a unity that society could never imagine.
The more you laugh at this Supreme Comedy the more levels of laugher surface to keep you laughing: that fighting might just be the solution for not only world peace, but universal peace, but only if it is over nothing.
I just noticed that the Cult forum has a "movie" section.
This thread might fit in there better.
Narrator's choice.
[url=http://www.crank.net]*cough*[/url]
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]I just noticed that the Cult forum has a "movie" section.
This thread might fit in there better.
Narrator's choice.[/QUOTE]
Whatever you do, PLEASE DON'T READ THE BOOK, it is much too strong for you! It would be like giving amphetamines to my crazy Jack Russell Terrier.
Edit: I recommend "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" instead, especially the part where he goes off about "QUALITY" and ends up sitting for days in a pool of his own urine.
This is a really good idea.
Hey wow, just Google and you can enjoy Gene Polotas' rantings on other message boards as well! It kind of reminds me of that time when "Gene Cherry" raided this Unitarian Universalist mailing list I was on and started talking about frequenting prostitutes and how this hooker was really his girlfriend.
[URL=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheoryOfEverything/messages/20001?viscount=100]TheoryOfEverything Part Une[/URL]
[URL=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nisargadatta/messages/25701?viscount=100]TheoryOfEverything Part Deux[/URL]
At some point he also posted to [URL=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/advaitajnana/]advaitajnana[/URL] Yahoo! Group about "Ajativada,Ramana Maharshi, Yoga etc." but I don't find the posts at the moment.
This is a really good idea.
[QUOTE=Spike][url=http://www.crank.net]*cough*[/url][/QUOTE]
Spike, what would we do without you....
No, you said nothing about the movie until now. We began the discussion talking about the two TEXTS. I an't moving this over there so you can go ranting in another section. You knew we were referring to the book, so this whole "i was talking about the movie" is a set up.
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]The SUPREME COMEDY is that I and US and WE are one and the same... just like Tyler and the Narrator are one and the same
You, the Narrator, are bitching to your INNER SELF that IT leaves you, the ego, no room for interpretation.
It should be the other way around.
The ego, Narrator, is nothing but thoughts so fuck it: let it bitch all it wants so Heaven itself, the INNER SELF – the OSERVER of the MOVIE – can laugh, enjoy the movie .
Tyler[/QUOTE]
wow someone saw the extended screening at the Deprung monestary in Tibet, sorry we couldnt make it
oh and Adelheid, youre my new wing man
douche
Don't mention it.
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[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]Spike, what would we do without you....
No, you said nothing about the movie until now. We began the discussion talking about the two TEXTS. I an't moving this over there so you can go ranting in another section. You knew we were referring to the book, so this whole "i was talking about the movie" is a set up.[/QUOTE]
This thread felt like going to a literature class where one of the students is making these stupid ass comments, and then about 3/4 through the class, you realize he was a lame ass and just watched the movie and didn't read the book. Although, he kept it kind of ambiguous in the beginning he said "stories" and "book/movie" and didn't make it clear which he was talking about. Therefore, next time somebody starts a thread about FC we should immediately nail them do say if they are talking about the book or the movie.
This is a really good idea.
[QUOTE=meatthinker]This thread felt like going to a literature class where one of the students is making these stupid ass comments, and then about 3/4 through the class, you realize he was a lame ass and just watched the movie and didn't read the book. Although, he kept it kind of ambiguous in the beginning he said "stories" and "book/movie" and didn't make it clear which he was talking about. Therefore, next time somebody starts a thread about FC we should immediately nail them do say if they are talking about the book or the movie.[/QUOTE]
It used to be Cliff Notes, now it's movies.
[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]Spike, what would we do without you....
No, you said nothing about the movie until now. We began the discussion talking about the two TEXTS. I an't moving this over there so you can go ranting in another section. You knew we were referring to the book, so this whole "i was talking about the movie" is a set up.[/QUOTE]
The joke is that life itself is a "set up."
It is a set up because it, life, is a joke you are playing on your-SELF.
And for those who have a phobia called death
the punch-line of this joke is death.
[QUOTE=meatthinker]This thread felt like going to a literature class where one of the students is making these stupid ass comments, and then about 3/4 through the class, you realize he was a lame ass and just watched the movie and didn't read the book. Although, he kept it kind of ambiguous in the beginning he said "stories" and "book/movie" and didn't make it clear which he was talking about. Therefore, next time somebody starts a thread about FC we should immediately nail them do say if they are talking about the book or the movie.[/QUOTE]
because the difference between the book and movie is so important that it is worth FIGHTING for, even dying for – even if the death is just your hallucination, like Tyler.
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]because the difference between the book and movie is so important that it is worth FIGHTING for, even dying for – even if the death is just your hallucination, like Tyler.[/QUOTE]
If we/us/you/them humor you/them/us/we, will you/us/them/we spare us/them/you/we when you/them/us/we go off?
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This ends it, and says it all..
[CENTER]DONNY
What tied the room together, Dude?
WALTER
Were you listening to the story,
Donny?
DONNY
What--
WALTER
Were you listening to the Dude's
story?
DONNY
I was bowling--
WALTER
So you have no frame of reference,
Donny. [COLOR=Orange]You're like a child who
wanders in in the middle of a movie
and wants to know--[/COLOR]
DUDE
What's your point, Walter?
WALTER
There's no fucking reason--here's my
point, Dude--there's no fucking reason--
DONNY
Yeah Walter, what's your point?
WALTER
Huh?
DUDE
What's the point of--we all know who
was at fault, so what the fuck are
you talking about?
WALTER
Huh? No! What the fuck are you
talking--I'm not--we're talking about
unchecked aggression here--
DONNY
What the fuck is he talking about?
DUDE
My rug.
WALTER
Forget it, Donny. You're out of
your element.
DUDE
This Chinaman who peed on my rug, I
can't go give him a bill so what the
fuck are you talking about?
WALTER
What the fuck are you talking about?!
This Chinaman is not the issue! I'm
talking about drawing a line in the
sand, Dude. Across this line you do
not, uh--and also, Dude, Chinaman is
not the preferred, uh. . . Asian-
American. Please.
DUDE
Walter, this is not a guy who built
the rail- roads, here, this is a guy
who peed on my--
WALTER
What the fuck are you--
DUDE
Walter, he peed on my rug--
DONNY
He peed on the Dude's rug--
WALTER
YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT! This
Chinaman is not the issue, Dude.
DUDE
So who--
WALTER
Jeff Lebowski. Come on. This other
Jeffrey Lebowski. The millionaire.
He's gonna be easier to find anyway
than these two, uh. these two . . .
And he has the wealth, uh, the
resources obviously, and there is no
reason, no FUCKING reason, why his
wife should go out and owe money and
they pee on your rug. Am I wrong?
DUDE
No, but--
WALTER
Am I wrong!
DUDE
Yeah, but--
WALTER
Okay. That, uh.
He elaborately clears his throat.
That rap really tied the room together, did it not?
DUDE
Fuckin' A.
DONNY
And this guy peed on it.
WALTER
Donny! Please!
DUDE
Yeah, I could find this Lebowski guy--
DONNY
His name is Lebowski? That's your
name, Dude!
DUDE
Yeah, this is the guy, this guy should
compensate me for the fucking rug.
I mean his wife goes out and owes
money and they pee on my rug.
WALTER
Thaaat's right Dude; they pee on
your fucking Rug.
[/CENTER]
[QUOTE=Gene Polotas]because the difference between the book and movie is so important that it is worth FIGHTING for, even dying for – even if the death is just your hallucination, like Tyler.[/QUOTE]
did you just refer to yourself in the 3rd person? i thought you ARE tyler?
douche
Guy, would you mind posting a straightened out version of this wacky philosophy of yours?
I think your theory's full of holes and doesn't make much sense - you keep contradicting yourself, you know. Like if all that matters is the fighting, where does the "laughter" come in? And if life is just one big joke, then why do you spend so much time telling other people how to think and, implicitly, how to live their "jokes" and appreciate their "punch lines"?
I'm so...confused...
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I've read all the stuff you've posted and what I want to know is, what is the culmination of all of this? How is this stuff applicable? How is it supposed to change the way people live their lives? You know what I mean?
Oh, and Spacemonkey1888, could I maybe [I]not[/I] be your "wing man"? You have a very unoriginal name. I wouldn't want to be "space monkey's wing man", that'd be...bad. Besides, I can't be anyone's "wing man", I'm a girl.
the SUPREME COMEDY is his sad life
Adelheid....damn girl why dont you stick it where it hurts
like i told everyone years ago, i was semi-drunk and it was 3am, and everyone calls me Monk, so fine dont be my e-friend
douche
[QUOTE=spacemonkey1888]...everyone calls me Monk...[/QUOTE]
Do you live in a monastery?
[QUOTE=spacemonkey1888]the SUPREME COMEDY is his sad life
Adelheid....damn girl why dont you stick it where it hurts
like i told everyone years ago, i was semi-drunk and it was 3am, and everyone calls me Monk, so fine dont be my e-friend[/QUOTE]
Saying she's your new wingman is really condescending. I think she was pretty nice about it.
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Do you live in a monastery?[/QUOTE]
no
douche
Then you're not a monk.
(Don't mean to be rude or anything, but it's true...)
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Then you're not a monk.
(Don't mean to be rude or anything, but it's true...)[/QUOTE]
wrong..
[img]http://members.aol.com/jdk1955/monk.JPG[/img]
why thanks mirk
douche
Hahaha...then I guess you're right.
But I still don't like you, "spacemonkey" - because mirka was [I]also[/I] right about you being condescending. If you do become a monk someday, maybe I'll like you then.
[QUOTE=Adelheid]Hahaha...then I guess you're right.
But I still don't like you, "spacemonkey" - because mirka was [I]also[/I] right about you being condescending. If you do become a monk someday, maybe I'll like you then.[/QUOTE]
Just because you're new doesn't mean you have to be regulated to the role of sidekick or wingman, you know.
Stick around girl, we need more sassy. smart chicks on this board.
[QUOTE=mirka]Just because you're new doesn't mean you have to be regulated to the role of sidekick or wingman, you know.
Stick around girl, we need more sassy. smart chicks on this board. :)[/QUOTE]
Why, thank you!
Especially not sidekick to spacemonkey1888. Oh my goodness.
[QUOTE=meatthinker]I've been there and done that "wad of solipsism" thing in fact it makes me cringe. It sounds to me a lot like some kind of post-cult dissociation thing, or maybe he's just dissociating the good old fashioned way. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be hazardous to your health if you don't get a grip on it.[/QUOTE]
forget the word solipsism because it is all about monism.
And Heavenism is just another word for monism. And Monism is just another word for the non-duality of the “Hindu” Advaita. And Advaita is all about the Samadhi that is Heaven it-SELF.
Monism is a language in which subject, verb and object appear different with an Awareness that Heaven makes them all the same: Heaven’s fiction, thoughts, words.
A [B]seeker [/B]will ask questions about what this language is saying.
An [B]idiot [/B]will tell you that it says nothing.
And an [B]intellectual [/B]will get upset because subject, verb and object simply cannot be the same.
And this [B]Heaven it-SELF [/B]is simply the Laughter that makes the [B]idiot [/B]perfectly right.
-=-
In Heavenism this Heaven is all there is. There is no other, there is no doer, only Heaven it-SELF.
Heaven’s fiction, words/thoughts, can HIDE Heaven but this Heaven is so Untouchable, Complete and Content that literally nothing in the universe, no words, can touch it or tarnish it. (Any more than physics’ particles can touch or tarnish their quantum-gaps.)
When thoughts cannot HIDE this Heaven it-SELF then all the universe’s miseries and suffering, pain and anguish simply cancels all its pleasures into Heaven it-SELF. This perfection of balance personifies the unfathomable Harmony, Freedom and utter Peace that is Heaven it-SELF.
THE JOKE IS that the FIGHT CLUB is all about the camaraderie and unity of the CLUB that goes far beyond anything society can fathom, because it is Heaven it-SELF.
Tyler