Fight Club and Project Mayhem in the real word

I don't know much about USA politics (and why should I) but I've heard that Bush is/have made a lot of tax reductions which will benefit the 10% richest in the country. And 20% of the people in USA are think that they belong to the richest 10%. And another 20% think that they are going to be one of the richest 10% in a couple of years. That's why politics like that will prevail. And in the end of the evening, tired, you sit in front of your TV and watching a lot of shit (and a lot of commercials), thinking about being rich. But you are not going to be rich!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cathatonix [/i]
[B]I don't know much about USA politics[/B][/QUOTE]
Then shut the fuck up.

Why are the forums of the whole web infected with people like you?
Don't you understand everybody, even you idiot, is here to bound with others, to find someone who agrees with him? We're expressing our thoughts, sometimes our feelings, to get love or friendship from wherever. And crapy selfish shit like you, acting like the last arrivist, the worst capitalist in the world, take advantage of your position to insult and humiliate someone else.
I wasn't expecting to find your kind of people here.
How can we trust humanity and call freedom if at first occasion, some of us hit others to make themself look better...
I already hear you, it was a joke, I'm going too far... Ok. But you're making me sad, and untrusting... Even more than I was.

Good. It worked.

I am not here to bound with others. I am here to discuss CP with other fans of CP, yet there always seem to be ignorant little impotent teenyboppers playing at being outrageous. [b]i. fucking e.[/b] Catatonix, et al. If I lash out at someone who starts a post with "I don't know what I am saying but will say it anyway..." Well, [SIZE=4][color=red]PARDONNEZ MOI![/color][/SIZE] Even you can understand that.

Now, admit it. Starmonkey, Catatonix, & Texta are all the same troll.

Tag. You're it, Mother Fucker.

Yes you are. Tou are here to bound, you said it, with others. Fans of Chuck Palahniuck. Other fans.
Texta (who?), Cathatonix and I aren't the same troll and you don't know any of us, you're far away from that. If you always focus on the look and texts which are posted, and never the content, like you already did here twice, you will never get closer.
You're trying to fool me. Right.

But I must admit that your behaviour is constructive. Probably next time, Cathatonix will gather more informations, will argue with more details. But I still think that there is another way to correct people without taking out their confidence.

I do sometimes have sexual thoughts and dreams about my mother. But I don't believe you have anything to do with it, and last of it judging me.

I am just speechless, monkey. You've made my freakin' day.

I guess I'm the only one who isn't insane, or is, either way, I'm the only one.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Starlight.Monkey [/i]
[B]I do sometimes have sexual thoughts and dreams about my mother. But I don't believe you have anything to do with it, and last of it judging me. [/B][/QUOTE]

...I will judge you all I fucking want to, kid. That's just sick. Or at least, it shouldn't be admitted publicly.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Starlight.Monkey [/i]
[B]Why are the forums of the whole web infected with people like you?
Don't you understand everybody, even you idiot, is here to bound with others, to find someone who agrees with him? We're expressing our thoughts, sometimes our feelings, to get love or friendship from wherever. And crapy selfish shit like you, acting like the last arrivist, the worst capitalist in the world, take advantage of your position to insult and humiliate someone else.
I wasn't expecting to find your kind of people here.
How can we trust humanity and call freedom if at first occasion, some of us hit others to make themself look better...
I already hear you, it was a joke, I'm going too far... Ok. But you're making me sad, and untrusting... Even more than I was. [/B][/QUOTE]

Someone's touchy!
Can't take a little a rough-housing, pansy?

Can we please get back to the damn topic people? Why all the fighting...

I thought you were smart enough to get that, I don't prohibit people to judge me. I just don't care about ones who react suddenly and refuse my experience on a rush.
You're just saying I'm sick. You're right. So what?
I'm not ashame. Be modest, it's embarrassing. And stop being ridiculous : I don't care about your opinion. Really.

Apologies, Neo Bradio....
In my opinion, an organisation built on high-minded ideas can't have the same impact as Project Mayhem. Because Project Mayhem is born following Jack/Tyler's instinct of rebellion.
Humanity's going to its end; it woud grow the same rebellion we feel against the actual system into worldpeople's minds which would be "freed" aginst their will.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crazedmusicfan24 [/i]
[B]This sometimes envolves shitting on the lower class, the people who are just trying to live day by day, work for the bread that goes into their families mouths. If you feel the same wayor havethe same views, please feel free to get at me and well chat about these things and our destructing culture. use my email or my im s/n. [/B][/QUOTE]

this is good.

but us "lowly worms" do have some power we just dont use it.

like the quote in FC (movie & book?) "we cook your food, we *somethingsomething*, we guard you while you sleep...DONT FUCK WITH US."

this is SO true-if everyone wasnt so damn tired, apathetic and pissed off after working their asses off all day and night the world would be in big fat trouble.

h.

i think this all depends on whether the fight club you adhere to is the book or the movie. the movie is about a revolutionary society. the book is a cautionary tale.

I think society, by governments, already control this apathy. Television is the best way to entertain people; they don't rebel and still consume, publicity and everything. Interactive television. Internet is still uncontrable but we're getting at it...

yes definitely-the apathy is controlled by the gvt/media/corporations-it is controlled flawlessly because it keeps people "in line" and passive. plus it has the built in bonus of drilling adverts into us

it is SO much easier to reach for the remote/a beer/the mouse than it is to reach for the truth (ya corny i know but hey...)

and yep it is a trap i fall into myself-i admit it

h.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Starlight.Monkey [/i]
[B]I think society, by governments, already control this apathy. Television is the best way to entertain people; they don't rebel and still consume, publicity and everything. Interactive television. Internet is still uncontrable but we're getting at it... [/B][/QUOTE]

good point and i have to answer-

i dont know.

h.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]i think this all depends on whether the fight club you adhere to is the book or the movie. the movie is about a revolutionary society. the book is a cautionary tale. [/B][/QUOTE]

no, this apathy is controlled by YOU. whether it's the government or media behind it, putting out there, YOU, the consumer, are choosing to pick it up, buy it, read it, watch it. it's up to the individual.

Need of social bounding is stronger than will of truth. Lucidity is a first step, and next ones are harder to take. Society keep us, by education and medias, thinking that obey is the better way of life.

you are right of course.

i guess my point is that it's SO much easier to just slide into apathy than actually DO anything (believe me i know)-which is why so many are so apathetic. what things are out there that would make apathy and it's drugs(tv, pc, etc) less appealing to the unwashed masses?

and starlight makes a good point too-if you really want to break out of your apathetic mindset-some of your actions in the process could very well be downright illegal.

k.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]no, this apathy is controlled by YOU. whether it's the government or media behind it, putting out there, YOU, the consumer, are choosing to pick it up, buy it, read it, watch it. it's up to the individual. [/B][/QUOTE]

A key phrase I made sure was in there was "[I]part[/I] of the problem".
Yes, there are at least 50 other factors to be recognized, but I wasn't about to write a book on it in my post and I'm sure you wouldnt have read the post if it was 15 paragraphs in length.

I see your point. Sorry I got so agitated. As it happens, I once read a post that was 718 paragraphs in length. So there.

Love,

I.E.

Project Mayhem-like group with assignments you can enact:

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[QUOTE=Brock Landers]I think the whole point of 'Fight Club' and the fact that it has been accepted by as many people as it has [both book and film], is that many of us feel the same as you do, Neo Bradio, in that we see things differently as a result.

In fact, the appeal of the entire concept of 'Fight Club' is that it applies universally to people from many countries, many incomes, etc... and I think that one of the greatest things it has done for many of us is to allow us to take personal steps in our own lives for change.

The concepts that Palahniuk expresses are not all that new, but he writes in such a way that it is accessible, as well as entertaining... it really strikes a intense literal chord, literally hitting the reader over the head with profound concepts from the most unexpected places, places we often don't talk about... our fears, our filth, our fury... this is where "Fight Club" garners its true power, in our hearts and in our minds.

I mean this shit. I believe it with every ounce of my being. 'Fight Club' is about evolving, changing, growing, reinventing ourselves, adapting... and the only true thing you control, you can tear down and rebuild, is your own self. That's why Palahniuk dwells on identity issues so much, at least in my eyes... because if we can't change ourselves... our minds, our bodies, our perceptions... how can we expect to change the world?[/QUOTE]

man you just described what i think perfectly.

I dont even need to post now, except to thank you.

hey starting over is a good idea, but really, whats the guarantee the same things wont happen all over again? and when it comes to going primitive, it would take a long long looong time for people to get used to it. but hey, what is better? a short happy life or a long existence fulll of hard complications and unanswered questions? and besides, people will always feel safer with a leader so they can be told what to do, so little by little a civilization would probably be started all over again.

p.s- before fight club, there was slapstick, by kurt vonnegut. a great book people.

i like stuff like this. i always like to tell people to read up on russian and french anarchist material. know what the word sabotage came from? the french used to wear wooden shoes at work called sabots. they would throw these into the mechanisms of the machinary they worked around which caused it to collapse, stall, etc.. keep this in mind in whatever you do, or see in your daily rounds. how can i as a real person, make this sabot work?

[QUOTE=Neo Bradio]You know people, I've been thinking lately that there really could be an underground community like Project Mayhem that could bring society to its knees. Make society start over...for the better. Wouldn't this be a beautiful world. Like I think a chemical reaction must have changed in my brain recently because I'm really starting to think like Tyler Durden now. I see things completely differently. Just recently I've been carrying around fight club and just pulling it out and reading a page of it and putting it away. I could see our world crumble and brought up the right way. I can see complete construction. Am I just going mad? Or am I seeing the beauty of this world? Whoa I'm sounding stupid...so just post what you think. In Tyler We Trust.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=insomnomaniac]they've been doing this since at least the eisenhower administration. certain books have "flags", such as the anarchist's cookbook, and they show up in a database when they're checked out.

it doesn't mean that if you check out, say, mein kampf, the feds come knocking. they only start to really watch you if you check out a ton of books like that, and if that's all you read. and even then this evidence is not admissable in court. not a single person has ever been charged with anything simply based on what they read.

yet.

that's why i say, project mayhem is a good idea. not because times are so much worse right now than they have been (it's just our awareness that's growing), but because they could get that way.[/QUOTE]
you know what sort of books are even better than the AC if you wanna learn what not to do with uncontrolled chemicals? check out some books on chemical hazards. they're like references about what sort of chemical combinations to avoid. i'm not sure if they would raise eyebrows, but you can always just read them in the library. only for reference of course.

if you believe in big brother as much as i do,
then you know why the 1st two rules of fight club are that you do not talk about fight club. If project Mayhem was real the only way to pereverse it would be to kill anyone who talked about it, or take there balls. i think the concept of project Mayhem is brilliant but to go threw with something like that you would really have to believe that we are all just worthless pieces of shit, i would have to no longer care about my brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grammas, and grandpas, and especially my friends because i'd have to be willing to kill them all. i'd have to be a heartless, cold blooded maniac to pull something like that off, but i still think it's brilliant.
You would have to keep a suicide pill in your back pocket and sleep with a gun under your pillow for years to pull it off. You would fuck so much shit up you would make those old vietnam vets look like fussy toddlers.

i love your quote by the way. that's one of the funniest things i've ever heard.

that is, if you wanted to completely duplicate what 'happened' in the movie fight club which is complete nonsense. just because the idea came from the book doesn't mean that its execution has to be identical to the book. personally i think the manufacture of nitroglycerin is dangerous and requires both precise equipment and very pure chemicals merely to mitigate the danger of it (because it will never be completely eliminated). then there is the matter of proper storage, transportation, etc. this is not something that many unexperienced hands could safely pull off. furthermore, blowing up a bunch of credit unions' hqs would not start us back at square one because companies that big have offsite backups in firesafes in the midwest. destroying that data would be a formidable task indeed. even if you could find the building and blow it up (not that you or I would want to [that's for you Big Bro]) the data would survive because its in a firesafe and its virtually indestructible unless you can somehow remove it. there you have it. the reality of the book is quickly unravelling.