Fight Club and Project Mayhem in the real word

"Am I just going mad? Or am I seeing the beauty of this world?"

the first rule of project mayhem is you do not ask questions.

I think the whole point of 'Fight Club' and the fact that it has been accepted by as many people as it has [both book and film], is that many of us feel the same as you do, Neo Bradio, in that we see things differently as a result.

In fact, the appeal of the entire concept of 'Fight Club' is that it applies universally to people from many countries, many incomes, etc... and I think that one of the greatest things it has done for many of us is to allow us to take personal steps in our own lives for change.

The concepts that Palahniuk expresses are not all that new, but he writes in such a way that it is accessible, as well as entertaining... it really strikes a intense literal chord, literally hitting the reader over the head with profound concepts from the most unexpected places, places we often don't talk about... our fears, our filth, our fury... this is where "Fight Club" garners its true power, in our hearts and in our minds.

I mean this shit. I believe it with every ounce of my being. 'Fight Club' is about evolving, changing, growing, reinventing ourselves, adapting... and the only true thing you control, you can tear down and rebuild, is your own self. That's why Palahniuk dwells on identity issues so much, at least in my eyes... because if we can't change ourselves... our minds, our bodies, our perceptions... how can we expect to change the world?

i agree, it seems the running theme of Chuck's work is that, for the most part, we create and control our own world/reality so we have no right to bitch.
Very valid points Primal

i agree... my ideas are pretty much the same as those expressed here and in chuck palahniuks work, especially fight club. i cant think of any new and interesting way to say this, but the only way to really change society is to rebuild it. [QUOTE]You'll hunt elk thrugh the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center, and dig clams next to the skeleton of the Space Needle leaning at a forty-five degree angle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by primal_monk [/i]
[B]So many of us, if I can project myself a bit here... [/B][/QUOTE]

*looks up after re-reading post for the fourth or fifth time*

i have been trying to formulate a response to this for over half and hour, and there's just no way I think I could contribute anything as worthy of the topic as what you just wrote.

Never have I aggreed more with what someone had to say.

*tip of the hat*

great prank, smells bad
target: bank or hotel
Buy a safety deposit box at either one, this is where you get to be creative, stuff fish, hamburger, eggs or whatever else into the safety deposit box and wait.

does anyone here work at a hotel or bank?

Wow guys...You completely changed my view. I understand now. Thats beautiful!

"He LITERALLY ripped his head off on that play!!!"

I've been spreading the word for a while now, via computer desktops at school, advice to friends, anything like that... its suprisingly easy, but I suggest teenagers as the most aware of the truth of what is behind Project Mayhem (I convinced a teenybopper of the wonders of freedom through bare-faced-cheek)

Pissing in soup will do nothing to change the world.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kl0pper [/i]
[B]Pissing in soup will do nothing to change the world. [/B][/QUOTE]

I have to agree with kl0pper on this one. If some kind of Project Mayhem exists in the sense that it does in Fight Club (yes, I know Chuck is a member of the Cacophany Society. It's not the same), they obviously aren't having much of an impact. None of us have really been affected seriously by anything of the sort (to my knowledge). Sure, you may have suffered a week of stomach cramps when a waiter jizzed in your cream of mushroom soup, but when was the last time you read anything about true and utter chaos that wasn't related to Al-Quida? Which creates a whole different question that doesn't really belong in this thread or section, but why is there immediate suspicion that Islamic terrorist organizations are the root of all evil in this country? Pisses me right off. Anyway, I'm sure that these chaos inducing societies exist, but their goal is probably not be the same as Tyler's.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kl0pper [/i]
[B]Pissing in soup will do nothing to change the world. [/B][/QUOTE]

Damn hard to argue with that statement, sitting all by its lonesome like that.

Will food service terrorism of black tie restaurants revamp society? Not too likely. I'd rather have a revolution that didn't involve eating someone's spunk. Not to mention the whole cowardly and anonymous nature of it.

But, I think you'd have to extend it to "________ will do nothing to change the world" because no single action by itself can change "the world". It can lead to other acts, it can inspire, it can be misinterpreted and changed into something different (better or worse).
A single action can be viewed through rose coloured glasses and mythologized, or it can be viewed through mud coloured glasses and be vilified. World history and all that.

It's strange, though......every once in a while, a simple act can become so much bigger than itself. Serve as a catalyst, "snowball effect" style.

A little old lady sitting at the front of a bus can do nothing to change civil rights....

Even if we could tear down society, do you think we could recreate correctly? Exactly. The enlightened man is one that can see that every rule, law, thing, idea, etc. is shit, we're stuck in a cycle of shit, and they can still find happiness in life. Maya. Did you ever know a kid so stupid that didn't know that hope was just another part of life? There is no hope, and that's not depressing. Accept nothing.
Dionysus had it right, fuck it and enjoy. Cheerful nihilism. When all of man accepts nihilism, where we're slowly headed, along with the realization of the Implicate Order (Bohm), society will break down and we'll either 1) destroy ourselves 2) what gets built will be a better place 3) we'll start the cycle over again.

Wow, writing that helped me come to some new realizations. Thanks everyone.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Haggard [/i]
[B]Damn hard to argue with that statement, sitting all by its lonesome like that.

Will food service terrorism of black tie restaurants revamp society? Not too likely. I'd rather have a revolution that didn't involve eating someone's spunk. Not to mention the whole cowardly and anonymous nature of it.

But, I think you'd have to extend it to "________ will do nothing to change the world" because no single action by itself can change "the world". It can lead to other acts, it can inspire, it can be misinterpreted and changed into something different (better or worse).
A single action can be viewed through rose coloured glasses and mythologized, or it can be viewed through mud coloured glasses and be vilified. World history and all that.

It's strange, though......every once in a while, a simple act can become so much bigger than itself. Serve as a catalyst, "snowball effect" style.

A little old lady sitting at the front of a bus can do nothing to change civil rights.... [/B][/QUOTE]Ok, fine, you make an obvious point.

What I mean to say is that a lot of these idiot kids on this board think they've found the answer to the wrongs of our current civilization. Urinating in soup.
Spraypainting walls.
Punching each other.

These behaviours should stem from a free society, not be a reaction to a caged one. I'm all for this stupid gigglegiggle heehee bullshit, it's great fun. But if that's all your'e after, get the fuck out of my face and catch the subway home.

If you want your revolution to let you act like a dick, that's easy. You don't need a revolution for that. If you want a revolution to emancipate your human rights to live the way you choose, without being forced to work an insignificant unfulfilling job just to meet your basic needs of room and board, then you're going somewhere.

It's been a long while since anyone's been free in this world. Being free does not mean you get to piss in soup, although it does include that.

Being free means _____. Fill in the blank.

[/assfaced rant]

i agree,sometimes i think like that

Well Guys I'm glad i could open up such a good discussion on this topic.

Yes we do...yes we do.

maybe we could...

I've totally been thinking about it...i think if enough people got together they could re-shape the world. It could be the dawn of a new day. A re-birth of the soul. I have visions all the time of how it could be done...if only enough people could get together to re-shape our society. The problem with this is...some people would be forced and thats not the point. The point is to realize what is right and what is wrong and join on your own...Ok i'm rambling now...sorry i just get excited sometimes. Our age just needs some sort of rebellion. All the shit that goes on this goverment. I mean our generations haven't had shit...Were getting close to the 60's sort of...not really now with the anti-war protests. I just hope our generation will be able to see the "freedom" of the past...if thats possible. Well i have no idea what i just said but i hope it made sense...I'll stop rambling now. I'm done.

The reason pissing in soup won't change the world is THERE IS NO PUBLICITY. Remember the conversation between the Narrator and the manager of the Pressman? "This would be more than some unbalanced peon diddling in the soup. This would take on epic proportions". What you do must have a referance point to what you are fighting against. Like blowing up credit card companys. Very effective. Attacking rich cars. Destroying computer stores. It must have a reason and a reference point.

"That guy driving the Lexus might make look down on the guy who works at Starbucks, but at least [the Starbucks guy] doesn't drink someone else's spit each morning." -Seanbaby, I think. (Not a direct quotation. Aim away from face.)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by swavroc [/i]
[B]"Seek therapy" is advice I get. [/B][/QUOTE]
well you've found it. your own little support group.

Our freedoms are slowly being taken away. Did you know the goverment is now looking at all the books that people check out from the library now? They are doing it to see if people are terroists. Goddamn goverment. Anyone read 1984? I think we're going into some pretty scary times. We shall see what happens. I think Big Brother is slowly opening his eyes onto the people. He's 30 years late but I think George Orwell knew what he was talking about. 1984 is a scary piece of literature...it's scary becuase its what happens to a corrupt and powerful goverment. I really hope our society doesn't devolope into the one described in 1984. The first step is to stop being sheep. Don't be scarred of authority. Authority is ok but if they step out of line don't be scarred to speak up. People can't just sit around and longer and watch shit pass by them. Speak up. Free yourselves. We need to reach salvation. It is all in the power of the people. I will continue to spread the word.

-Neo Bradio-

Threads like this are the reason I keep coming back to this site.

Yes, yes...me too, me too.

[QUOTE]Our freedoms are slowly being taken away. Did you know the goverment is now looking at all the books that people check out from the library now?[/QUOTE]

they've been doing this since at least the eisenhower administration. certain books have "flags", such as the anarchist's cookbook, and they show up in a database when they're checked out.

it doesn't mean that if you check out, say, mein kampf, the feds come knocking. they only start to really watch you if you check out a ton of books like that, and if that's all you read. and even then this evidence is not admissable in court. not a single person has ever been charged with anything simply based on what they read.

yet.

that's why i say, project mayhem is a good idea. not because times are so much worse right now than they have been (it's just our awareness that's growing), but because they could get that way.

Good point insomnomaniac. I din't mean to make it seem that the times are just like this now. NO no no times have always been like this. I just don't want people to be blinded by everything. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for the post isomnia.

So you want a revolution?

I think it's already happening. Revolutions, real ones, ones that last, are not something anyone can consciously direct. Think about the Industrial Revolution...a series of developments that led to a rapid cascade of changes in nearly every aspect of life for many people. Think about the Russian Revolution...led by a clique of intellectuals. It affected a lot of things, but what did it really change?

The revolution on us now, is, I think, an informational revolution. Those of us who have time to spend on internet forums are saturated with more information and media than any populace in history; how we will adapt to it will dictate the future social history. Fight Club addresses this, sort of obliquely, by talking about the corporate culture, the 'copy of a copy of a copy', and the insomnia where everything just blurs together. Our culture, for whatever it was worth, is largely sacrificed to the national corporate culture. Surveillance is a method of preserving power and order, and thusly it becomes increasingly pervasive as more information saturates the system. ECHELON is watching.

Overthrow the system? A rebirth of the soul? Man, I don't want to sound like a technocrat and an asshole, but I think that sort of thing is really what Fight Club is against, not for. Real Fight Clubs are not revolutionary groups, they're recreation and subculture. I can't remember the guy's name, but some French philosopher of the 20th century said, "The rebellion is in the act." If you fight each other, you're expending energy that has no other outlet. As Brad Pitt says in the movie, "Hey, good for you, doesn't change a thing."

Don't take this the wrong way, but this quest, sometimes desperate, for 'control' and 'freedom', outside of the establishment, or the system, or whatever you want to call it, just doesn't work. Blowing up credit card companies, museums, world trade centers: these things will not set you free of anything. Palahniuk suggests some really severe nihilism--erasing history--but he doesn't follow through literally. I find it to be a liberating book, in a very figurative way.

This is really long. I'm sorry. It's hard to be precise about a book that means something to me emotionally, I'm used to writing long papers for school. So, I sound like a prick whenever I try to write something. Anyway...I think the key is participate in life and give it the meaning you want it to have. Make your own existence. DIY reality. Something like that.

"I just hope our generation will be able to see the "freedom" of the past...if thats possible. Well i have no idea what i just said but i hope it made sense...I'll stop rambling now. I'm done." (Neo)

Neo, I think it's there...but we've got to go get it, sometimes individually. It's little subcultures like Fight Club that give us identification.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kl0pper [/i]
[B]Ok, fine, you make an obvious point.

What I mean to say is that a lot of these idiot kids on this board think they've found the answer to the wrongs of our current civilization. Urinating in soup.
Spraypainting walls.
Punching each other.

These behaviours should stem from a free society, not be a reaction to a caged one. I'm all for this stupid gigglegiggle heehee bullshit, it's great fun. But if that's all your'e after, get the fuck out of my face and catch the subway home.

If you want your revolution to let you act like a dick, that's easy. You don't need a revolution for that. If you want a revolution to emancipate your human rights to live the way you choose, without being forced to work an insignificant unfulfilling job just to meet your basic needs of room and board, then you're going somewhere.

It's been a long while since anyone's been free in this world. Being free does not mean you get to piss in soup, although it does include that.

Being free means _____. Fill in the blank.

[/assfaced rant] [/B][/QUOTE]

Kl0pper used to be a human being.

I am suddenly very depressed.

Through all the words that have been written above mine, there is the same collective drive, the same [i]need[/i] for change. This is common with most generations, and most of them never get there. What kills me, what is so goddamn plain and simple in my mind, is that we as a species are the owners of the Earth. It is ours, whether you believe in creationism or not. But everyone thinks they know what is right for the world and what is right for themselves. Religious officials who are so lost and trapped beneath "righteousness" that they are struck blind with fear, fear of the world and of the people, and so they lead those people with them into longing and desire. "Political activists" who demand their rights be respected and cry out for equality when, in truth, equality is not what they are fighting for, they are fighting for special attention. Feminism has removed women from the household, increased the need for American success, and in turn left children abandoned at home in front of the television or on the computer, and out of guilt these parents shove their kids into fifty different clubs and sports and after-school activities and what not. And then those kids, those gentle minds, are so destroyed that they are pushed to murder.
If the planet could somehow realize that humans belong together, that we do control the world, we [i]could[/i] change something. Change it in a way that antiquity has yet to witness. Us Fight Club fans see our world in turmoil and want to heal it. We see in our country that the heroes are not warriors, they're celebrities. We see in our country that the leaders, the men behind the curtain, are not the politicians, they're the men who work in large-scale corporate offices. And we can do nothing about it, so it seems.
If you want revolution, you have to [i]live[/i] revolution.
Palahniuk revealed what we were all thinking. Now the only problem is getting everyone else thinking with us.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rents [/i]
[B]but why is there immediate suspicion that Islamic terrorist organizations are the root of all evil in this country?[/B][/QUOTE]
Because people died. Unarmed civilians died.
The ROOT of all evil lies somewhere else, but I cannot believe the Islamic terrorists are anything but terribly, terribly confused.

I love that quote, bronskrat.
"Thus spoke the devil to me once: "God too has his hell: this is his love of man."
And most recently I heard him say this: "God is dead; God died of his pity for man."
--Nietzsche

[QUOTE]I don't want to sound like a technocrat and an asshole, but I think that sort of thing is really what Fight Club is against, not for. Real Fight Clubs are not revolutionary groups, they're recreation and subculture. I can't remember the guy's name, but some French philosopher of the 20th century said, "The rebellion is in the act." If you fight each other, you're expending energy that has no other outlet. As Brad Pitt says in the movie, "Hey, good for you, doesn't change a thing."[/QUOTE]

now that i have thought about this more, i feel like an idiot for the second part of what i wrote up there. of course, you're right. i defer to you.

Alright... i have to admitt i wouldn't mind a revolution myself... but if you all are talking about the kind of revolution described in Fight Club i doubt that it will ever take place.
--By a Fight Club revolution (just to clarify) you mean one that is a break away from our consumer lifestyles that depend on material possesions to form our identities??

Why won't it work?
--First of all i'm a teen (junior in high school)
It will take a change in the way kids think. But with all the advertising, TV, and lack of parentalship kids will revert to products to recieve the approval of yet another bunch of kids that been told what to think is "cool." This consumer lifestyle needs to be stopped at the root and then and only then will this revolution ever take place.

There's soo much more to it than that, but before i make a fool of myself any further, i'll post this for scrutiny, and tell me what you think.

Are you popular, Chester?

P.S. I'm an asshole. Welcome to the site.

no.. in fact i'm just the opposite, i'm a cynical loser that hates half the kids in my school... what made you think i was popular?

I'm really glad that all of you have made this topic so active and you have also brought up some really good points. Keep the thoughts coming.

yes, thank you.. i have read through all the posts, and i can honestly say that i have learned a lot. i certainly could not have expressed my thoughts with such eloquence, nor thought of most of your ideas.. i really appreciate having the pleasure of reading all of this.
i suppose, if i had an opinion on the matter, i would say that a fight club wouldnt work in real life the way we would want it to, but that it is a good stepping off point. the ideals of nihilism are great, and are necessary to get to what will be the better revolution, but are not the revolution itself. forgetting what your parents, teachers, and peers taught you and making up your own reality is something that is necessary to really grow into any semblance of an individual at all. a project mayhem as described in the book, wouldnt bring out the revolution that is needed because it is too secret. then, it would be hiding behind anominity and anarchist mischief.. but it likely wouldnt work if it was a public venture either, as it would encourage the being different for differents sake. it is very possible to be different just like everybody else, and a real-project mayhem would just stem another subform of conformity and space monkey-ism.. but something has to be done.. there is something very wrong..i dont know what specifically is wrong, nor what would be the remedy to the wrongness, but i know that it is there and it needs to stop. i would like to say that things like conformity and consumerism are at fault, but, albeit the fact that they are huge, seem like such a small part of an untouchable problem. it is something more, something more complicated and mysterious, something more inherent within society that is so obvious its impossible to figure out. as of present, the value of a singular life has been dwindled down so much it seems inconsequential. i know that that sounds really negative, but it just seems like real meaning is so mysterious in the presently accepted society. something is very obviously wrong, but if one cannot find what is really wrong, how can one fix it? maybe nihilistic, project mayhem kinds of things are an answer, maybe they are just a passage to the better method.. who knows. anyway, i dont know what is a good solution, or what is the real answer to anything, but i do think you guys have come up with some really great ideas, and thats why i felt the need to respond in this wise thread.. anyway, thanks for all those great responses i got to read.

[url]http://www.crimethinc.com/index2.html[/url]

[url]http://www.spacehijackers.co.uk/html/welcome.html[/url]

[url]http://www.cacophony.org/[/url]

Just to get you started.

what exists now is ELF (earth liberation front) and derrick jensen ([url]www.derrickjensen.org[/url]) is working on a book about how to take down civilization

i recommend all jensen's work as well as daniel quinn's ([url]www.readishmael.org[/url])

good discussion groups are online at [url]www.groups.yahoo.com/group/derrickjensen_discussion/[/url] and [url]www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ishmael_discussion[/url]

h.

Just a thought...

[I]Fight Club[/I] starts as a revolution. But how does it end?
Tyler preaches about how we are taught to mindlessly follow the lifestyle we have been brainwashed with - and then creates his own mindless bind-faith-in-Tyler chanting little soldiers.
He deplores hoe men have been deprived their masculinity (a generation raised by women) and then has them performing domestic chores.
He is against industrialism and capitalism and establishes his oen very successful soap factory.
He stirs them against their shitty jobs and makes them live in the dilapitated house of Peper Street (workers in, say, Taiwan anyone?) making soap all day.
The voice that monotonously repeats propaganda over the megaphone etc etc, the book/film is full of those images of fascism. The Space Monkeys have rejected one form of oppression to plunge headlong into another.
Remember in [I]The Animal Farm[/I] how the pigs that led the revolution eventually became indistinguishable from the humans they had overthrown?

First off, great thread. Now for my completely worthless 2c.

I agree with Ankush’s argument that ….

[QUOTE]I don't think even Chuck thinks that Tyler is right[/QUOTE]

I believe that there is another message in Fight Club, a message that many parents, teachers and authority figures have shouted down at me throughout my entire life. It’s a simple message usually shouted when I did something like quit my job because my boss was a jerk, or throw a beer bottle (empty of course) at some guy because he called my friend a wanker.

The message was always “Grow up”.

I’m not saying that a revolution such as ‘Project Mayhem’ wouldn’t be of a great benefit to mankind. I look around me and all I see are slaves, slaves to jobs, slaves to marriages, slaves to the almighty dollar. But I see Fight Club as being a journey for the narrator, a journey of acceptance, and in the climax, He rejects his ideas about ‘Tyler’s new world’ with a single bullet to his own head. In the end, or at least in the end of the book, Project Mayhem is a failure. The world still spins as it did in the beginning.

Even in the end of the movie adaptation, the narrator turns to Marla and says “you met me at a very strange point in my life”, expressing his regret at how far things got out of control.

Even I don’t really want to accept this argument, there is a part of me that wants Fight Club to have the same effect on people as “The Communist Manifesto”. But the truth is that nobody can change the world through violence and chaos, no matter how cool they really are. The world has to be changed together, and nobody should have to die for such a change to take place.

Good and Bad are unable notions. Justice is the notion we have to follow. Because we're there on a planet we destroy, acting like viruses, escaping from our animal nature.
We have to learn how to follow the right law, the cruel natural law, that is perhaps bad but surely right.
So the "fascist" clue found in Fight Club can be a "remanence" of this state of slave that humans have to accept. We're slave of our families, our planet, our dicks and stomach... We don't have enough power to be God. Imagination is sterile : you just can put things together to make something barely new... Human can't create, just discover.
So if we have to learn some people how weak they are, violence can be a way. We just can't stear clear of this weapon in our war for freedom. When you have an object wanted by several community, here a world ones want to possess, ones to free, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT

I don't care what Chuck really meant with Fight Club, if Project Mayhem is a good or a bad idea. Whats important to me is that the book make a lot of people think about our world and whats going on in it. Look around and question everything. Is this really necessary? Is this a good life? Why are we sitting in cars one hour in the morning to get to a stupid meaningless job and one hour home?
I'm sick of it all, really. It would be nice just crasch it all to pieces. But what then? How can we build something better? The strongest people will always take charge and they will get rich and live on other peoples work. Look at Russian revolution or Maos China. Corruption will always win the fight.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aurelius Caulfield [/i]
[B]What kills me, what is so goddamn plain and simple in my mind, is that we as a species are the owners of the Earth. It is ours, whether you believe in creationism or not. [/B][/QUOTE]

THIS bothers me alot

to me anyway it is so wrong!

who are WE to say the whole fucking world belongs to us? just wait when the world "shakes us off it's back like a dog with fleas" cause it cant take the abuse civilization pummels on it anymore.

h.

Grecque mythology starts in Chaos. Out of this time, there is Erebe (it's french word, dunno the equal in english) which the perfect time. Private property is away too deeply into our society. If we can put everyone and everything on the same ground, we can build something better. Rethinking human discoveries with a different scale of priorities, a scale which is not led by utility or killing rate or ability to bring power.
Money is a target but it's just the out part of the iceberg. A whole mentality have to be changed, or destroyed. Human have to know he's not a marvellous beautiful snowflake, but he's the same shit as anything else.
We need new needs, to take our minds of power war... We won't remind the major specy; and for those who thinks humor is what differences us from animals, here's an irony everyone knows : humanity will be its way to its end.

I agree with hobo. How can we say that the world belong to us? Why not the rats? or some hard-to-kill bug? Or cancer? The world belong to anthrax?

To change the world we will have to start with to change ourselves. Me, you, your best friend, a neighbour, local drugdealer.

HERE! HERE! This world belongs to everyone and everything...and its about time we started treating it that way. Respect your fellow flies, plants, and worthless shits right now!

I'm sorry, but for some reason I really don't get the feeling that Chuck feels the way Tyler does. I mean, don't get me wrong, but I just don't feel that the message of the book is "go out and restart society." It really isn't.

"We could kill eveeerryone...."

the first step to destroying evil is to eradicate it's source.

I totally agree with Palaniuk's view of the life we're living in. I mean being a woman, and being toldthat we shouldn't have this view,and that we shouldn't act out how we feel about being forced to go along with the corporate world, this only makes me and plenty more, revolt more, have that feeling to go against the grain, more and harder. I believe that the views that were used in the early 1900's the depression era, are still with us, the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer. The rich will do everything and anything that envolves getting more money,power, and or respect. This sometimes envolves shitting on the lower class, the people who are just trying to live day by day, work for the bread that goes into their families mouths. I think it's absurd how companies buy and over rule other companies and corporations. They try harder and harder to get the consumers to buy their products, invest in them, well what if the consumers can't afford to buy into this? America basically has a outline of how we should live, I know you've heard of it, The American Dream right? well..I've known people whohave worked their entire livesin dead endjobs, shit jobs,factory jobs, just trying to make it to that goal, shit just to even catch a glimpse of it. It really is sad. And then to see the people who have it madein the world throwing it away like yesterdays garbage. Like they got the money and power to wipe their asses with $100 bills. It's basically like this, the people in life who have it "made" and are getting points and credit for everything, they are the ones whowill always end up getting the free rides, the opportunities.And then again the people like myself and the people around me, the shit upon people, the lower class, we never get a free ride, an accomplishment, an opportunity. Like Tyler Durden has said, we should just erase everything andstart from zero. Everyone gets the leg up. But of coarse I have a feeling that if this were to happen, it would just end up ending the same way, the way we all are now. We were given the same equal opportunity in the begining of theworld. But then again, wefucked that up like the world fucked everything up we were given. If you feel the same wayor havethe same views, please feel free to get at me and well chat about these things and our destructing culture. use my email or my im s/n.