Book on Fight Club Outline

I think you should have done a book for Survior. But that's just me.

People will buy it. I will.

You should include the last chapter of the book. The hospital/heaven part. I think that would be an interesting chapter.

Yeah, that's chapter 2.

Oh... Good!

Yeah, but I think you could get more material from deconstructing Fight Club (if deconstructing isn't the right term, feel free to throw big, heavy stones at my G.E.D. ass), given that it's a book, a screenplay, and a movie owned by many iconoclasts and young angry white males. Give it 30 years, and there'll probably be a reference to in the Gen X/Gen Y/Gen whatever equivalent of those stupid baby boomer nostalgia books ("Do you remember the first and second rules of Fight Club? Say it aloud!").

I hate those things, but I digress.

It might be a little premature, if anything - that's my only complaint. But, yeah, deconstruct the hell out of it. You sound like you know what you're doing.

I got news for ya: the book is at least 7 years old and he probably wrote it 8 years ago, in 1995 sometime. I was 30 in 1996; now I'm almost 37. Growing old sucks. Generation X will be forgotten. My colleagues are all either boomers or Generation Y. No one will hire Generation X.

i'm a Gen-Y-er and no one will hire me, either.

sounds like a fascinating book, but could you give a short summary of some of the titles on that outline you posted? it's hard to comment when i'm not sure what direction each chapter will take.

Randomly. The chapter on Raymond Hessel will focus on the narrator/Tyler's role as perversion of Christian sacrifice. Hessel gets a 'first' supper, instead of a last one; the narrator/Tyler forces Hessel to genuflect and then enacts the exact opposite of a cross (putting the gun, cheek to cheek, chin to forehead); there is the mission of gaining the 12 (but instead of disciples, they are 'sacrifices'. The list goes on. Raymond's name, like Walter's and Norbert's is linguistically important (etymologically they all have 'warrior' names). And so on.

MY FUCKING GOD (and I'm an aethist[sp])!!! I MUST BUY YOUR BOOK! When is it coming out?

Well, I have to write 5 more chapters, but I have them all carefully planned out, and have tested almost every idea in class as lectures.

Hey, I'm not religious either. And I doubt that CP practices Zen or Hinduism. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean to say that you can't read it. If you want to mess with any Jesus jumpers that knock on your door, or hassle you, a really wicked knowledge of the Bible will beat their simple-minded faith every single time. [of course that and a good grasp of both Graf-Wellhausen and the Quelle Source stories]. If you know that stuff, you will have the Christians on the run.

Well, while that is true and a great read. I am a little confused on why you said it.

Well, you said that you were an atheist. Have you ever tried filling out the test at [url]www.beliefnet.com[/url] to determine what type of belief you actually have? Atheism is too broad a term to be useful. Try the "what faith are you" test. Be sure to remember to rate how important each question is to you. I had my students try it, and they got sorts of classifications like: universal unitarian, secular humanist, neo-pagan... all stemming from apparent atheism.

[QUOTE]Hey, I'm not religious either. And I doubt that CP practices Zen or Hinduism. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean to say that you can't read it. If you want to mess with any Jesus jumpers that knock on your door, or hassle you, a really wicked knowledge of the Bible will beat their simple-minded faith every single time.[/QUOTE]

absolutely true. just look at [URL=http://www.landoverbaptist.org]this site[/URL] for an example.

i took that test, actually, slag, and i came out as a "nontheist." which pretty much means "atheist." which as far as i know means "does not believe in a higher power".

there WAS a religion thread around here...

but back to your book. my question/observation is, that while your analysis is admirably detailed, do you think there's such a thing as reading into it too much? particularly with your example about the names...is it right to work that into your analysis even if it's fairly clear that the fact that raymond is a "warrior" name is not something chuck would know, and therefore not a factor in his decision to use the name? i don't know that he DOESN'T know that information, but if he didn't, would it be a valid analysis? and does this factor into your research in general?

go me. i speech english goodly. if you can untangle that last paragraph, write back.

Couple of points, Kitty, I am a neo-platonist, and tested out as 100% Roman Catholic, so as far as systematics does, isn't really that close.

I was worried, at first, about reading too much into it. We can't actually trust anything CP says. I write a lot of poetry and fiction myself, and lie like crazy when asked anything (you've obviously taken workshop classes, judging from your poetry at least, and probably have lied your butt off over inadvertant allusions, or, conversely, tried to come across as dumber than you really were).

I doubted his level of control of his lexicon, but really minimalism demands it. Also, run vild, hemlig, dakapo, klipsk through a Swedish dictionary. There's a lull, for example, after he describes the apartment's furnishings, then he adds, almost as an afterthought that the lamp is through the windshield of his car. The name of the lamp is encore--dakapo.

By using names like Walter, Norbert and Raymond to describe powerless characters, he's making a joke. It's like Bob's body-building... a hollow version of masculinity.

He's counting words at times: seven rules of fight club, seven references to god in the last chapter... it goes on and on. It must be intentional.

Awesome.

I just took the quiz, I don't understand the results. And I'm more philisophical than anything else. I'm a nonbeliever, that accepts the possibility.

Slag, are you going to the conference? You could present this there! Flights are cheap over the agua now too.

what?!?! No Nietzsche?!?!?!

100% Hinduism. That's a little surprising. I'm disappointed that Solipsist didn't come up at least 50%. Ah well, I always figure that labels miss the point, but the fact labels can be made is a point itself.

I'd love to go, but I am flat broke and PA is a long way away from Vancouver. I'd like to see that status of things, and hope that I'm not too far out on left field.

Don't worry about Nietzsche; if you check the sources post, I've spotted Beyond Good and Evil, but I don't really much place to discuss him outside the Hessel chapter.

Hinduism is important. Mention of the chakras, for example, are very cleverly controled (hint. count the doors and remember their colors... which one is missing?) Kali yuga... etc. but it is important to remember that CP is not the narrator, and the narrator is not as clever as he thinks he is.

slag i'd love to see you apply your analysis to my poem on the other site that you alluded to.

Slagathor, you are the proffesor(sp) of the decade.

How type of credentials do I need to be a teacher? An english teacher, to be more percise.

Highschool, you need a bachelor's degree and a teaching certificate.
Junior college, a master's degree.
University, a PhD.

I took a year off after high school. Did a BFA, MA, MFA and PhD and was done when I turned 30 in 1996. I was able to do my PhD in two and a half years: the usual is 7, so I was a little speedy. It's a hard grind and it cost about 500K (although all but 30K was covered by fellowships and scholarships). It is very tough on life, and there's an incredible drop out rate: about 80% in my PhD class dropped out. After all is over and done, it's very very hard to find a job. You have to love teaching.

It takes all that just to teach 8th grade? And money isn't a problem, my dad will pay for me as long as I'm in school.

Oh yeah, highschool requires a BA or a BEd and a teaching certificate. It'll take about 4 years to finish it. Some places also give you bonuses if you have post-graduate degrees, so in my home province, British Columbia, you make more money if you have a MEd (Masters in Education).

I think the typical US college costs about 8K a year, so it'll end up costing 18k per year (room and board and books) so.... nearly 80K dollars. Some places offer incentives and loan repayment for new teachers. It's not that bad.

What type of grades do I need through Middle School, and High School? (I'm in 7th grade) And what is the best collage for becoming a teacher?
And 8th grade is Middle School.

You should try to keep an average between B and A. At least a 3.2 You should try to write good SATs. Most importantly, and even if it is totally ironic, and you have the worst possible attitude, you should join all those dorky stupid things that everyone else does... join your school debate team, volunteer at the Humane Society, volunteer at the local hospice or hospital, join the school errr cross country team, join the yearbook. You don't have to really try at all, just do it to write it down on your applications and resume... volunteer at Little League to do announcing or what have you.

I taught at Yale, and the only way to get in there was not to have perfect grades (of course you had a 4.0, lots of people do), and SATs within 50 points of perfect, but you also had to be "well-rounded".

Start faking being well-rounded. It will get you into some pretty good schools.

Any Bachelor's of Education is good enough. But you might as well kick back and enjoy going somewhere cool.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Slagathor [/i]
[B] and you have the worst possible attitude, [/B][/QUOTE]

I do? And I got 97 on everything english wise on my SATs. I got a 57 on my math procedures.