*Multiple Spoilers for all books* Chucky P's Exorcisms/Outlet
So he has stated before how his themes are sort of exorcised through writing. Like the way the identity theme was dragged out, worn out good until he wasn't having an identity problem...
"...at this point that I've become comfortable with who I am, so that theme no longer appeals to me. Plus, four books based on that! Fight Club is based on what you are not; Invisible Monsters was based on recreating yourself based on fashion and fantasy; Survivor was based on creating yourself in the face of immortality; and Choke was based on creating yourself out of a purpose, out of something that you stake your life on, that you commit to. So they're all about creating identity. But it's time to get past that."
Lullaby was his way of dealing with death. Where he stood on the death penalty and the power struggle we all have...
When it came to Diary I figure Chuck was dealing with artistic expressive issues where no matter what you write it reflects you. Everything you paint, draw, write is a diary. Or the theme of being trapped in some sort of conspiracy where when he used to live in a trailor with his mom he's now a published writer... Something like that...
Haunted was sort of like the importance of story telling. How they either use us up, or we use them up. We spend our entire lives crafting and editing our story because its all we got. So I guess this was his way of telling everyone else's stories. Or his way of living forever, becoming immortal through stroy telling. Through the stories he's told. And MAYBE a stab at the writers workshop with Tom Spanbauer.... Y'know, Tom being Mr. Whitter... :18:
With Rant he's said that he was metaphorically dealing with him getting older. He wants to be immortal through his books. And the whole, dad looks like son ordeal, where he says, "Every time I look in the mirror I see more and more of my dad."
So he exorcised those demons.
What do you guys think?
What frustration you think he was letting out on certain books?
I mean what demons is he tryna exorcise with Snuff?!
Chubbz makes an ellaborate thread will a well though out question at the end. Which he then answers in the very next post. Shortest thread ever. Oh Chubbz.
Hahahahahhahahahahhahahaaaa... Oi vey.
One thing I've noticed is, in all his books, the main character is uncomfortable with him/her/itself. That's a very general way of looking at that, but I can't think of a better word. They're uncomfortable and they're looking for a way out. . . and that's kind of what every gimmick in his stories is all about. Just a thought.
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;996883]Chubbz makes an ellaborate thread will a well though out question at the end. Which he then answers in the very next post. Shortest thread ever. Oh Chubbz.[/QUOTE]
well nobody was replying.... So I'd figure, I'd put in my two cents on my [I]own[/I] thread... 
And the reason I ask, is that. Chuck was part of this Dangerous Writing ordeal which includes writing something embarassing about yourself, or putting your soul on a peice of paper or your deep dark secrets. So I'm thinking Chuck claims he gets his stories from friends, but geez, some of them has to be his own.
Like his anti-establishmentness. Or conspiracy theory-ness. Or self-destructiveness...
[QUOTE]One thing I've noticed is, in all his books, the main character is uncomfortable with him/her/itself. That's a very general way of looking at that, but I can't think of a better word. They're uncomfortable and they're looking for a way out. . . and that's kind of what every gimmick in his stories is all about. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]
Well thats the whole identity theme. Not feeling comfy wit yourself -- look at Lullaby, it dont got an identity theme. I dont [I]think[/I] Rant does either. Besides he did say he was done with that whole thing...
So bigshrimpn, what's your thoughts on this. On all his novels, like what is it he himself is trying to explore, or get rid of, or blah-blah...
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C'mon now baby, I don't wanna respond to myself again :17:
Honestly, and this is gonna come across as me being a weirdo or not worthy in a place like this but, I try not to analyze the authors I read too much. I know everyone wants to know Chuck personally and everything but for me it takes away from the story. When I read, I try to make myself believe that the story is more than a story. I try to make reality out of fiction in hopes that it will envelope me. Wondering what kind of mood the writer was in or what he was thinking at the time he wrote it reminds me that it was just in a story in someone's head transformed into words and recorded on paper. I guess I'm crazy or whatever but I really try to really believe in what I read. But only if it's fiction. LOL
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;997092]When I read, I try to make myself believe that the story is more than a story. I try to make reality out of fiction in hopes that it will envelope me. I guess I'm crazy or whatever but I really try to really believe in what I read. But only if it's fiction. LOL[/QUOTE]
Weirdo...
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Your not alone...
I honestly do the same thing. Durring the read, in my mind, it actually happened.
But once I'm done with the book. I begin to deconstruct chapter by chapter, scene by scene, sentence by sentence.
Evaluate themes, plot, character.
Evaluate purposes of all the scenes, and the burried guns.
Figure out what could've been cut out.
Once I'm done with the book I analyze, analyze, and analyze. I try to figure out how I can use some of the lessons or messages in the book in my own life, to 'better' myself. Yeah, I completely tear it inside out, I completely drain, wear out, and strip the book apart.
But for movies... In my heart and mind... They actually happen...
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Once I'm done with the book I analyze, analyze, and analyze. I try to figure out how I can use some of the lessons or messages in the book in my own life, to 'better' myself. Yeah, I completely tear it inside out, I completely drain, wear out, and strip the book apart.
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I do the same. I analyze everything about the book, but not in "story that ws written by someone else" manner. In other words I kinda forget about the author for the time being. It's alot harder to put into words than I thought it would be.
Ok, what'd you think of Invisible Monsters?
'Cos I can honestly say thats one of those books that is just heavy in symbols, and themes, and character development that I think EVERYONE can relate to...
The whole, give me attention ordeal. Then the sibling rivalry. And the changing of the names when they meet new people -- I do this when I meet someone I'll never see again -- And then there's the love-not-love situation.
I dont think there isn't one line in that book that you [I]cant[/I] quote and capture you....
Survivor did the same thing to me too, but for different reasons...
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[QUOTE=chubbz;997127]Ok, what'd you think of Invisible Monsters?
'Cos I can honestly say thats one of those books that is just heavy in symbols, and themes, and character development that I think EVERYONE can relate to...
The whole, give me attention ordeal. Then the sibling rivalry. And the changing of the names when they meet new people -- I do this when I meet someone I'll never see again -- And then there's the love-not-love situation.
I dont think there isn't one line in that book that you [I]cant[/I] quote and capture you....
Survivor did the same thing to me too, but for different reasons...
:feedback:[/QUOTE]Loved IM!! Actually read it for the first time about a month and a half ago. It was good enough to get me back into Chuck which, in turn, brought me here. I gotta tell you though, you can definitely write about your experience better than I can. I had a powerful notion wash over me when I finished IM. Like I had just finished something great. I recommended it to my girl (at the time) and she couldn't get past the first 10 pages. I couldn't stop. I don't know if I can define my thoughts about books like some of you can. I do analyze every aspect of the book, usually going back and rereading chapter after chapter. But everytime I go to share my thoughts, it seems like I get writers block. Told you I was weird. It's very cool reading everyone elses interpretations though.
I thought it was beautiful how the first chapter your introduced to everyone on the edge of dying. Everything is just exploding with action.
Then it's like she tells the story of the Queen Supreme, and her own paralleling with the dude...
And then theres the twists, amongst twists, amongst twists. But honestly, the name-changing scam was what threw me off of who the hell was who. It was hard to keep track. Then when everything was revealed, it was easier to swallow, and then you have to go back and see it in a new light with the now aquired information.
And shit dude, they's been saying she was a he since the BEGINNING!!!... Fuck, that literally made me put the book down and take a deep breath. Get my priorities straight, y'know, take in the entire book, pick it up again and run with it. Cos fuck that shit was heavy.
Through that he exorcised the whole sexual identity that everyone goes through.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that I mostly thought Diary was a portrait of the artist as a corpse. If you get me. It was interpreting who the artist was after they passed on. Similar to number thirteen [URL=http://chuckpalahniuk.net/workshops/resource/chuckessay.php]here.[/URL]
[QUOTE=corellion;997145]I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that I mostly thought Diary was a portrait of the artist as a corpse. If you get me. It was interpreting who the artist was after they passed on. Similar to number thirteen [URL=http://chuckpalahniuk.net/workshops/resource/chuckessay.php]here.[/URL][/QUOTE]
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Like a immortality through the artist's art -- I hear ya'.
Snuff - Probably the mother-and-son issues he couldnt get rid of in Choke...
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