what I hate about writing

The only thing I hate about writing is my own inability to have control over it.
Creativity, you see, is elusive.

To be honest, I really like stories that end or have some kind of satisfying conclusion.

I hate editing and third drafts.

i hate not being able to write anything other than stories about a guy who meets a girl who changes something somehow.

I also hate speeling. (spelling... get it... haha)
I like Mirkah also don't like editing, but moreover, don't like trying to decide when I have edited enough or not.

As for rules, I know where he's coming from. As in the whole subject/predicate grade school essence of literary rules, I get what he means. Breaking the rules means inventing a new way to tell a story, take Bret Easton Ellis. The Rules of Attraction starts with a lower case letter and sounds like it starts mid sentence, and it ends in the middle of a sentence with no period. And he always uses run on sentences that will last the length of a paragraph, but they sound right and make sense. It gives this feeling that there's a lot more going on then there should be, which is his point about life anyway if you think about it. Ellis does a lot of that, using punctuation in a way that makes you understand why he did it. So as far as breaking rules that way, I love it. But I won't sit there and turn the entire English language inside out. Then you'll start to lose some people.

hmmmm it seems that my theory was right. out of hundreds of writers or in this case a few, only one stood out.

good job ModernME

you'll make a great writer someday, and if you're not a writer, maybe you should think about starting.

As for the rest of you I"ll bust out a little chuck on you "How's that working for you? being clever?"

I have read several stories that have no ending at all and they were great stories, because sometimes its about how you tell a story that makes all the difference and maybe that is the message, that in this world you should learn to be more tolerable and open minded. There are thousands of writers out there with messages, clever little messages that ignites a chuckle out of them for being so "clever"

There's a list, a small forgotten list of writers who decided to walk with their eyes close and fall each time they took a step, yet we, the ones who write, at least try, follow in their footsteps and admire them for their bravey, it's funny how a man with the ability to see follows the one who can't.

This post was started because as SI mentioned, my dislikes are the essence of the art, thus, I wouldn't have it any other way...this.... love hate relationship with writing, anything else would be boring to me.

Wow, you thought I was being clever? Than you're in idiot. I was:

1) respectfully stating a preference
2) answering your question

I wouldn't have bothered if I knew you were some whiny prick testing out a precious, secret [i]theory[/i]

I hate how one week I'll be satisfied by a page I wrote (to contribute to my book) but then in a few months I'll look back and hate it. I mean, it's good to evolve in your writing, but having to start all over again can get frustrating.

mirkah, i should distinguished you from the others. My apologies good sir. I was merely answering the response of SI, whom decided that responding to me individually was better than just simply answering the question. I was simply asking for other replies, such as youself about editing, I wasn't looking for someone to tell me why I should maybe not write if I hate such things about "writing"

hope that clears up everything, and this wasn't a theory I was secretly planning, It seemed that way to me when I wrote that response. not too shabby eh.

Yeah, it's an awful feeling when your standards mature faster than your ability to meet them. In third grade, reading Goosebumps or whatever, it's easy to match that. Then when you grow up and read Palahniuk (or, more traditionally, Steinbeck, Faulkner, even Salinger) you notice your writing sucks.

And here's the unwarranted advice part, to everyone with such a dislike of "the rules." Although I don't think you should just copy the greats, I think they're great for a reason. Without knowing the rules, you can't break or bend them and do it in a coherent way. If you don't have any grammar, you're writing gibberish. Not that the sentence police will come after you for writing in fragments or leaving prepositions dangling, but what is language without a subject (the sentences have to be about [I]something[/I] ) and verbs (what is the something doing?)? Also, even though endings don't--and shouldn't be--cliched and automatically happy, and they don't have to wrap up every tiny thing, some sense of conclusiveness leaves the reader with closure.

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i think youve got it all wrong.
First .if you get your story out there and only one person learns from it or is moved by it u should be happy. Remember not everyone will like what u write. Second. rules are good because they providea guideline to what your doing without the rules some writing would be even more fucken hard to understand than it already is.
Third. bad criticism is the best criticism because it becomes a wake up call and therefore u relise were your fucking up.
fourth. WHY SHOULD THERE BE ENDINGS????????
IN THAT CASE WHY SHOULD THERE BE A MIDDLE PLOT OR A CLIMAX TO THE STORY OR EVEN A BEGGINING??????? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND LAST IF U LOVE YOUR WRITNG THEN JUST KEEP ON ENJOYING IT AND DONT WORRY ABOUT THE REST OF US UNTIL THE DAY U BECOME A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR SELLING AUTHOR.
THATS IT..............

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by madmind [/i]
[B]fourth. WHY SHOULD THERE BE ENDINGS????????[/B][/QUOTE]

OK, what I don't understand is why you'd decide to CAPS scream? Being louder makes your point stronger? If you wish to refute a point, do not rely on being suspicious about it.

Endings are neat. Finishing a good story is as exciting as reading one. On the other hand, if you don't wish to write structured prose - don't. If you think endings are bad, have no endings. Just type on your keyboard, press SAVE and submit your work. No ending. No editing. No ideas, messages, style, narration, no problem.

Do not, however, expect that people will praise you for that. Do not expect someone to be amazed by your ability to break all known rules. Do not expect people in this forum to applaud because of the so-called rebelious nature of your art. Many of the writers here are grilling their butts trying to get their stories to work, to read well, to have a plot, to feature a character, to mean something. Coming here and saying all that is miserable will not, in my opininion, get you the Miss Congeniality vote.

Drenowski

this thread is precisely why i avoid the fan forum.

lol, man what I started in here.

Okay, first I should have used the word "frustration" rather than hate. hate is a strong word and many of you wouldn't understand the relationship I have with my own writing. I did however get ticked off when Inquisition decided to get personal with me. By the way I answered your stupid question several post ago. But let me just put it in quotes

"I love the challenge of it" I hope this answers you question that you thought I was avoiding.

Some of you made some good points. It's not the first time I've heard similiar answers, however, I was going through this rebel phase, I was tired of seeing the same stories over and over and over again, same endings, same messages, same plots and I was just sick of it. Sick of writers copying one another, sounding the same and wanting to sound the same and all I was thinking was how to remove myself from the pool that everyone was and still is jumping on. But that's just me. My apologies if I misled some of you.

now we can put this to rest and I hope no one else keeps debating on this thread.

Well...bah!

I love writing. It beats the hell outta getting up at 8:30 in the morning to go bus people's dirty crap for 3 bucks an hour because I MAY get tips. As soon as I can get over my shyness and submit to a few places; if I get accepted, that is, I'm getting out of the busser job. It's awful. X_X

I use to do that. Bust tables and wash dishes dude. :x

and i take it your counting. please quote me on those stupid comments, other than this thread, maybe you're right and I need to really rethink about what i'm posting.

and I don't get bent about it, I just don't like people getting too personal with post when it's not even the subject of the thread that's all.

and didn' t mean to go after you neck with my replies. Just defending myself you know.

well you're not doing a good job of avoiding it. :lol

Ego's are fun.

im just starting to write and my themes are very vaugue in the short story i've begun. its all about release of emotion for me, capturing a feeling in words.

i dont mind if its not true to the "rules". i might sound a little too romantic for some of you here, but personally im not going to stick to "rules" when i can do something a little different with English and language that can help capture that feeling or put a message across.

and sometimes the point of the story is that not everything needs to have a deep philisophical meaning.

now theres a paradox.